The Russians are on their way...why am I not shocked.

Well as the old saying goes 'To secure peace is to prepare for War'

From the beeb.

Ukraine has ordered a full military mobilisation in response to Russia's build-up of its forces in Crimea.

Acting President Olexander Turchynov has ordered the closure of airspace to all non-civilian aircraft.

US President Barack Obama has called Russian troop deployments a "violation of Ukrainian sovereignty".

Ukraine has said it will seek the help of US and UK leaders in guaranteeing its security. Nato has called emergency talks to be held at 1200 GMT.

Several other measures were announced by Andriy Parubiy, chair of the national security and defence council of Ukraine:

The armed forces would be put on "full combat readiness".
Reserves to be mobilised and trained
Emergency headquarters to be set up
Increased security at key sites, including nuclear plants.

The BBC has seen what appear to be Russian troops digging trenches on the Crimean border.

Heavily armed groups continue to occupy key sites on the peninsula, including airports and communications hubs, although there has been no actual violence.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I don't know much about the provenance of Ukraine's ethnic make-up, but I do speak with some authority on the current cultural blend of the country, as a very dear friend of mine lives near Odesa, having married a Belarusian a decade ago. I was,in fact, his best man at their wedding.

Russian culture is a little more prominent than you describe within Ukraine, based on my conversations with him.

You talk as if national borders are set in aspic. They never have been and most probably never will be. Russia peaceably taking the territories you describe does not concern me unduly, if it properly represents the will of the people in the affected areas. Perhaps the way that part of the world was carved up after the Iron Curtain came down was imperfect. That really wouldn't be too surprising. I expect any democratically driven carve-up would exclude Berlin and, in fact, most of Eastern Europe. That's a bit of history which I feel I can comment upon with some degree of certainty.
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The problem is though, it isn't the will of the people that's driving this like a democratic election. It's the fact that the pro-Russian Government was thrown out and Russia absolutely cannot allow the US or EU into more of their sphere of influence.

And let's not forget, it was the Russians who gave Ukraine Crimea in the first place.
 
I'm on Russia's side.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM[/youtube]

Once again the West is meddling in another country for their own imperialist reasons, just like with Libya, and Syria. Who are the US supporting in Ukraine? A bunch of Neo Nazi's.

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“The utter criminality of Washington’s drive to install a pliant regime in Kiev sharply emerges in Nuland and Pyatt’s discussion of Oleh Tyahnybok, the leader of the neo-fascist Svoboda party (who recently met with John McCain in Kiev). Nuland describes Tyahnybok as one of the “big three” within the opposition leadership. These remarks confirm that there is no confusion whatsoever within the Obama administration that it is working in partnership with fascist movements in Ukraine,”
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dazdon said:
RandomJ said:
So their Navy chief has defected now...
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Have no fear we are sending over our secret weapon.

William Hague.

That'll teach 'em :-)
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It is high time that little pipsqueak Hague and the rest of the UK government realised Britain is a bankrupt little island that has no place getting involved in an event that has nothing to do with us. Next he will be guaranteeing Ukraine's borders, that worked well last time and we can do as little to help Ukraine right now as we could to defend Poland's borders in 1939. Who cares about Ukraine, it is irreverent to us, who was even aware of what was happening there a few months or weeks ago? What happens next is to is up to the Ukrainians and Russians to decide, the west should stay well clear.
 
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