If Sancho had stayed at City, I'm not sure that his development would have been that much slower than at Dortmund. He made 12 appearences for Dortmund in 17/18. Inititally they were from the bench, his first start was in Jan 18. Sancho is clearly a great option as an impact sub, coming on late in games and using his speed, strength and trickery. If he'd stayed at City I think he would have featured quite often last year in that role. If he'd done as well as at Dortmund, isnt it possible that we wouldnt have signed Mahrez? Its very unlikely that he'd have become a regular starter for us this season but he could still have accumulated plenty of minutes. Not as many minutes as for Dortmund perhaps, but higher quality minutes.
"The Sancho Narrative" vs patience
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If Sancho had stayed at City, I'm not sure that his development would have been that much slower than at Dortmund. He made 12 appearences for Dortmund in 17/18. Inititally they were from the bench, his first start was in Jan 18. Sancho is clearly a great option as an impact sub, coming on late in games and using his speed, strength and trickery. If he'd stayed at City I think he would have featured quite often last year in that role. If he'd done as well as at Dortmund, isnt it possible that we wouldnt have signed Mahrez? Its very unlikely that he'd have become a regular starter for us this season but he could still have accumulated plenty of minutes. Not as many minutes as for Dortmund perhaps, but higher quality minutes.
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I suspect SAncho will be nowhere in a few years time, his game is too confidence based, it's too transient, if he had stayed at City he would have learnt how to be a team player, its the way the game is going... Being skilled isnt enough you have to work hard and understand you need to work hard and get that team ethic. Our players have it or are learning it. I suspect Sancho will be a Neymar at best,. But he will earn lots I suppose.
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Thats all it was, narrative. Total bollocks.
Phil stayed, learnt, became the star he is.
Sancho jumped the gun, became a star, became the failure he is.
Look at this bollocks :
talksport.com
www.mirror.co.uk
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
What absolute wankers these reporters are. Arse and elbow, sancho and Foden
Phil stayed, learnt, became the star he is.
Sancho jumped the gun, became a star, became the failure he is.
Look at this bollocks :
Phil Foden urged to push for Man City transfer - 'He's not learning on the bench'
Manchester City starlet Phil Foden has been urged to leave the Premier League champions on loan for the sake of his career. The 19-year-old has shown his star quality during the international break…
talksport.com
Phil Foden transfer news: ‘Just get him out there!’ – Man City youngster needs to leave on loan, says ex-England star Michael Owen | Goal.com UK
Phil Foden has been urged to push for a loan move away from Manchester City, with Michael Owen telling the teenager that he does not “have to be choosy” in search of more minutes.
www.goal.com
Why Phil Foden has been told to leave Man City
The teenager is one of the most exciting talents in the Premier League but has been told to follow Jadon Sancho away from the Etihad
Phil Foden urged to force Man City exit in January transfer window
Phil Foden has been used sparingly by Man City manager Pep Guardiola at the beginning of the season.
What absolute wankers these reporters are. Arse and elbow, sancho and Foden
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It's funny how you mention arse, my belief is that at the time we were trying to sign Sanchez from Arsenal, Wenger tapped Sancho up & thats where the homesick rumours came from. We probably accepted Dortmunds offer to spite WengerThats all it was, narrative. Total bollocks.
Phil stayed, learnt, became the star he is.
Sancho jumped the gun, became a star, became the failure he is.
Look at this bollocks :
Phil Foden urged to push for Man City transfer - 'He's not learning on the bench'
Manchester City starlet Phil Foden has been urged to leave the Premier League champions on loan for the sake of his career. The 19-year-old has shown his star quality during the international break…Phil Foden transfer news: ‘Just get him out there!’ – Man City youngster needs to leave on loan, says ex-England star Michael Owen | Goal.com UK
Phil Foden has been urged to push for a loan move away from Manchester City, with Michael Owen telling the teenager that he does not “have to be choosy” in search of more minutes.www.goal.comWhy Phil Foden has been told to leave Man City
The teenager is one of the most exciting talents in the Premier League but has been told to follow Jadon Sancho away from the EtihadPhil Foden urged to force Man City exit in January transfer window
Phil Foden has been used sparingly by Man City manager Pep Guardiola at the beginning of the season.
What absolute wankers these reporters are. Arse and elbow, sancho and Foden
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Interesting to revisit the topic; I mentioned during the fanfare that what has set us apart on such players is our due diligence; he’d of gone nowhere if it was a must to retain, this is Peps version of Pogba, we spout it time and time again but talent doesn’t make the individual succeed, takes more than that and it resonates with what we’ve just done with Cole; there are flaws where no stone goes uncovered, the flaws exist beyond public information and we have it locked firmly down…
Just imagine precocious talents like this being on £300k a week before sniffing an iota of success…
We are the modern benchmark that isn’t easily replicated, United had this down and we’ve merely copied and evolved it; discount the manager role at our peril, as non footballing execs protect the asset initially, it takes mavericks like Pep who see 5 steps ahead!
Just imagine precocious talents like this being on £300k a week before sniffing an iota of success…
We are the modern benchmark that isn’t easily replicated, United had this down and we’ve merely copied and evolved it; discount the manager role at our peril, as non footballing execs protect the asset initially, it takes mavericks like Pep who see 5 steps ahead!
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Yep he's a wrong un as his recent behaviour indicates, fairplay to City for spotting that early and getting him out the door. He'll end up as a kind of a poor man's Aaron Lennon with no disrespect intended to Aaron.
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Almost as if the greatest manager there's ever been knows a bit more about the game than these rent-a-gobs with only 10 brain cells between them.Thats all it was, narrative. Total bollocks.
Phil stayed, learnt, became the star he is.
Sancho jumped the gun, became a star, became the failure he is.
Look at this bollocks :
Phil Foden urged to push for Man City transfer - 'He's not learning on the bench'
Manchester City starlet Phil Foden has been urged to leave the Premier League champions on loan for the sake of his career. The 19-year-old has shown his star quality during the international break…Phil Foden transfer news: ‘Just get him out there!’ – Man City youngster needs to leave on loan, says ex-England star Michael Owen | Goal.com UK
Phil Foden has been urged to push for a loan move away from Manchester City, with Michael Owen telling the teenager that he does not “have to be choosy” in search of more minutes.www.goal.comWhy Phil Foden has been told to leave Man City
The teenager is one of the most exciting talents in the Premier League but has been told to follow Jadon Sancho away from the EtihadPhil Foden urged to force Man City exit in January transfer window
Phil Foden has been used sparingly by Man City manager Pep Guardiola at the beginning of the season.
What absolute wankers these reporters are. Arse and elbow, sancho and Foden
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Sancho was free to move wherever he wanted as he hadn't signed a pro contract with City.
burning blue soul
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On the face of it, yes, you're correct.
But this thread is about reading between the lines at the nuances of young player decision making.
The press gaslit the nation into thinking Sancho was the next big superstar, but the reality is (from folk in the know at City) is he was damaged goods and not enough a team player.
Through that press excitement utd bought him on idiotic wages and fee, without due diligence.
As soon as they get a manager who puts team ethic above all, Sancho doesn't play ball (figuratively, and actually).
His career arc had been predicted years ago. It is now clear Sancho must change his attitude to life, or end up like so many other "could have beens".
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Oh Jadon imagine if you had these 2 choices of playing football in Manchester.
1. Showing a bit of patience, learning from the best coach in the world, winning trophy after trophy, becoming a truly great footballer
2. Playing for OGS, Ralph the Rag and ten bob, winning one fucking league cup and becoming a bang average player who doesn’t even play
What would you choose Jadon?
1. Showing a bit of patience, learning from the best coach in the world, winning trophy after trophy, becoming a truly great footballer
2. Playing for OGS, Ralph the Rag and ten bob, winning one fucking league cup and becoming a bang average player who doesn’t even play
What would you choose Jadon?
lancs blue
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My comment was solely to correct the idea that we did anything to "spite Wenger". Sancho hopped off to Dortmund and then as I recall we negotiated the deal to avoid a tribunal deciding the fee.
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The "due diligence" comments are so spot on, and a few clubs should take note, Chelsea & the Rags being the obvious cases. City are the model that all modern sides should follow, on and off the pitch, and even though we don't always get it 100% right, the success is there for all to see (there are none so blind). Pep is an absolute God, the greatest of all time, and I hope he stays with us for another 10 years.
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Seem to recall watching a short youth team video on ere showing Foden & Sancho’s responses to being substituted I think, along the lines of body language etc, you watch both players now & nothing has changed, one sulks about the pitch (when he gets on it) thinking he’s got football completed, the other runs & runs, smiles and plays for his team mates, with a wardrobe full of accolades. All the noise peaked at international level (going back a few years) driven by the red media trying to unpick our club, Phil just smiled and played his way through it all
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Very good prediction - can I have next weeks lotto numbers please?
Slight aside, I did the City tour last season, just at the point Haaland had a niggle - we saw him drive past, on his way from his medical checkup.
The guide said the player who gave the most of their own time for the fans (queueing for autographs at CFA etc) was Foden.
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What we don't know is what advice the players were given by the wiser and older heads around them, and what assurances the club gave the players. Managers will tell you that there isn't a player to whom they can guarantee a start - although KdB, David Silva, Dave Ewing, Eddie are a few exceptions! - and of the three who had an inflated idea of their value, status and potential within the game it was always gonna be Sancho. He turned down any offer the club made, I understand, and felt he was as good as any player who started in his position. And, of course, the meedya were quick to sow some notional seeds of discontent in the camp. As soon as he got to Dortmund he was hailed as the one who slipped through the City net, setting most facts aside as the media do, and every touch from then on was Cruyffesque - and once the Rags were in the frame they were painting a picture that City had dropped one almighty bollock! I think I've not heard that refrain from the RDAHMeedya for some time!
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I can remember a UEFA Youth league match (I think) where Foden came on for Sancho in his very early days with us. Foden stuck his hand out and Sancho blanked him and just pushed past him with a face like thunder. Foden had a puzzled look on his face but just shrugged his shoulders and went on to play his normal game. It pretty much predicated where we are today.
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Hmm not sure - since he made that prediction, Sancho has won 2 trophies with Dortmund and one with United, racked up 76 G+A in 82 games for Dortmund, got an £80m transfer with a £65m contract.
Not sure id describe that as being “nowhere”, despite his ongoing struggles at United.
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You could argue that both players were talented and both made the right decision, but the media narrative was definitely aimed at praising Sancho for choosing Dortmund whilst ridiculing Foden for wanting to say at City and fight for his place.
Obviously we can't name names, because it wouldn't be fair on Neil Custis.
Obviously we can't name names, because it wouldn't be fair on Neil Custis.