The SATS con and our education system

I was unlucky enough to be involved in the first ever SATs.

I still remember the fear of failure. When I got the mark which was less than I expected I was miserable for weeks. I'm convinced now it's a core memory which prevented me from reaching my full potential. Because I saw myself as a failure. Any success I still have in work or life imposter syndrome follows. I put it all down to those fucking tests at such a young age. I was boxed in to my future that day.
Already told my daughter to not let it affect her, I just want her to enjoy reading and learning to spell right, her maths is fine anything else is a bonus. I’m saving up now to take her to Japan in two years as she’s declared she fancied it and I’ve always wanted to go, this will be an education for her and me.
 
Already told my daughter to not let it affect her, I just want her to enjoy reading and learning to spell right, her maths is fine anything else is a bonus. I’m saving up now to take her to Japan in two years as she’s declared she fancied it and I’ve always wanted to go, this will be an education for her and me.
You're a good father. Encourage her to follow her talents and she'll turn out well.

That's the best thing to do. I was given the old "man up" speech.
 
Many degrees are essential, Medical, science, law etc but a vast majority of students at University should not or need to be there.

When I left school in the 80s you had to be seriously clever to get into a Uni, no longer, they are now a money making scam and I feel for a lot of students who fall for it and leave with mountains of debt and their dreams shattered when they go into the real world.
I remember reading that Rick Stein got into Oxford with an E in History and English, so is this true or is it just one of those clouded judgements of ''everything was harder in my day''.
 
It has become part of the Gradgrind nonsense of modern education.

The original concept was fine. It was intended to measure what children knew so that teachers would be able to address the gaps in their knowledge.

But then the Tories figured out they could create league tables to set one school against another, and even one teacher against another. They loved it! It fitted with their obsession with competition. And with the illusion of parents being able to 'choose' the 'best schools'.

Trust me, the statistical basis for league tables is utter bollocks. Especially between primary schools, where the sample sizes are (relatively) tiny.
 
Out of curiosity, as I know you were in the teaching profession, what did they do to measure school performance before OFSTED and SATS ?

This obsession with measuring performance against arbitrary targets, might work in business, but to me its not conducive to providing a rounded education to kids, in particular at junior school age.
It doesn't work in business either. What gets measured gets done, and everything that can't be measured gets dropped, not matter how important it is.

I remember watching this ages ago, and it's still true now:



But it's also worth mentioning the role parents play in this. They all moan about it, but then they're the first to ask what rating the local schools got when they try to enrol their kids. In Finland, which for years had the best education system in the world, there are no published performance metrics of schools (it's especially ridiculous to boil the performance of a whole school down to a one word description), but imagine the fuss that would be made if Ofsted tried to do that in this country.
 
I remember reading that Rick Stein got into Oxford with an E in History and English, so is this true or is it just one of those clouded judgements of ''everything was harder in my day''.
He's 77 and went to public school, and I suspect back then, a well-connected individual could probably get into Oxford with pretty average grades. Hell, look at the grades that got King Charles into Cambridge.
 
Those were the days. Even if you passed it you weren't guaranteed to be accepted into grammar school.
A pass in an exam is just like equality in life - there are varying levels.

All part of the Tory rush to get schools into some kind of league table. How do we manage that? Oh, we can conjure up a series of tests. What are we gonna test? Oh, we'll have a National Curriculum! I celebrated my official birthday the other day - 30th April. It's the day I retired from the madhouse!
 
It doesn't work in business either. What gets measured gets done, and everything that can't be measured gets dropped, not matter how important it is.

I remember watching this ages ago, and it's still true now:



But it's also worth mentioning the role parents play in this. They all moan about it, but then they're the first to ask what rating the local schools got when they try to enrol their kids. In Finland, which for years had the best education system in the world, there are no published performance metrics of schools (it's especially ridiculous to boil the performance of a whole school down to a one word description), but imagine the fuss that would be made if Ofsted tried to do that in this country.

Ofsted, PIGMOL and the FArce. Three institutions that should be consigned to the cesspit.
 
Classes of 25 have become 40+.

All that counts is the test.

An entire system of education dismantled. As is the case in the NHS, with the removal of trusted GP's who see a patient face to face, the once totally implicit ideas of continuity of care, 'whole patient' approach, gone.

Because they stare at their bank balances so much, they find it easy to believe that people are no more than robots.

Rather than emotional, living creatures with rather a lot more going on under the surface than is ideal.

Same thing in education. It was an investment in the whole person. You lay the foundations and encourage a person to live, exist and thrive. And hope the culture passes on it's wisdom. The nous to give people a shot at a balanced way to think about themselves and the world.

Whatever there is in SAT - there is no wisdom.

I'm afraid culture wars are a terrible answer to this. There is no right answer to the things we sometimes insist on imposing. Kids will get that. Even if we can't explain it. Sometimes we just end up showing that something is wrong. A resistance builds. We aren't smart or clear enough to know what the truth is - we just end up forcing strange things through for the silliest of reasons.

The best goal is different; get the individuals to think well for themselves, to work around the limitations of people inherently and neccessarily disagreeing. To accept the contradictions of the world, and approach it all as a work in progress, a best effort. To know, their view is of value. But to give them the confidence to keep thinking openly about it, privately as well as publicly. So they are not holding on to it desperately. And so they are not prone to end up swayed by small stuff. There is no value in producing fodder for people seeking to exploit easy false answers.

We have to try to give people a sense that something a bit better and more durable is possible, if they keep working for themselves, on their invisible estate, the unwritten unknowable balance sheet, the hidden garden or the secret library of the mind.

It can be measured in outcomes. The outcomes we are failing at now. That's how this happened. We only ever discuss this year's results. And so we totally overlook the obvious truth lives are shaped over decades. Fruition is a whole life deal. So are many many mental health problems. They don't emerge out of the blue and it doesn't happen overnight.

I dunno. I don't expect this to be solved. We will always be distracted by the short term. The latest cycle of results. I don't think that changes.

All I'm saying is, we can do better. IDGAF about train privatisation or many other things. I just hope that there is some move to reverse the trend on class sizes and other short sighted refusals to acknowledge humans for what they are.

What schools have 40+?

Thought the max. was 30?
 
What schools have 40+?

Thought the max. was 30?
I was once a volunteer in Tanzania and taught classes in a teacher training college of 50. It is not the number but the dedication of the students to learn that is important. Every single one of them had had it drilled into them how important an education was and every one of them did their best to learn.
 
100% spot on
@jimharri will tell me off for shouting though. But I think some of the joy has been taken out of teaching.
A child in my class struggled with reading and maths but boy was he green-fingered. He grew a spider plant for me that was magnificent and he worked with horses eventually. (Grew a lot more things but I had the spider plant and it descendants for years.)
The light that came on in a little girl's eyes when she suddenly got how to do division and percentages and the relationships in numbers.
The little one who struggled with balance but was wonderful at rounders.
All these are milestones in a child's life that I was privileged to witness.
I loved being a teacher (even with the stare!! ;-) ) and I know that I would be a rebel today because I would not follow the rigid lines they have and paperwork... ohhhh.

:-)
 
What schools have 40+?

Thought the max. was 30?
That's what they hope for but sometimes you have to go over that number. Although I've not heard of any 40+ recently.
I've heard of teachers being coerced into taking extra pupils by saying for example that there are two sets of twins and the parents want them to be in the same class. A class of 30 then becomes 32 and there are other ways they persuade teachers. :-)
 
EVERY CHILD IS GIFTED. THEY JUST UNWRAP THEIR PACKAGES AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND PACE.
100% spot on
@jimharri will tell me off for shouting though. But I think some of the joy has been taken out of teaching.
A child in my class struggled with reading and maths but boy was he green-fingered. He grew a spider plant for me that was magnificent and he worked with horses eventually. (Grew a lot more things but I had the spider plant and it descendants for years.)
The light that came on in a little girl's eyes when she suddenly got how to do division and percentages and the relationships in numbers.
The little one who struggled with balance but was wonderful at rounders.
All these are milestones in a child's life that I was privileged to witness.
I loved being a teacher (even with the stare!! ;-) ) and I know that I would be a rebel today because I would not follow the rigid lines they have and paperwork... ohhhh.

:-)
Completely agree but sadly and mostly to the cost of the country, if your not wearing a suit, walking into an office and earning 50k a year your a loser.

I have total respect of anyone that does manual work, engineering, mechanics, nurses,delivery drivers, careers etc but incredibly there seems to be a narrative against those people and there wages are simply too low for what they do.

One thing the covid situation showed for me is who are the important people are in the real world.

Without doctors, nurses, delivery drives, shopkeeper/shop workers, food producers the country would have ground to a halt.

Most offices were closed for a long time, everything seem to carry on fairly well even so.
 
That's what they hope for but sometimes you have to go over that number. Although I've not heard of any 40+ recently.
I've heard of teachers being coerced into taking extra pupils by saying for example that there are two sets of twins and the parents want them to be in the same class. A class of 30 then becomes 32 and there are other ways they persuade teachers. :-)

Well one or two over in exceptional circumstances is one thing. But the guy seemed to be suggesting that 40+ is the norm now.
 
John Otway
A413 Revisited
Verse 2 sums it up for me.

“There's a reunion at the Grange County Secondary School
Where there's a bunch of us
Thrown together at a formative age
We couldn't pass our 11+
Strange lesson at the age of eleven
To find that life ain't chance
And if at first you don't succeed
You’ve already been a failure once…”

 
The great, late educationist Sir Ken Robinson was once tasked by govt to write a white paper on tackling the fundamental issues facing the education system.
He duly presented it.
It was never published and binned.

A great shame because he was one of the most enlightened thinkers about education and an inspiring talker.

There are several Ted talks where he gives his views on several areas of education.

This is a taster, where he discusses creativity.

 
@jimharri will tell me off for shouting though. But I think some of the joy has been taken out of teaching.
A child in my class struggled with reading and maths but boy was he green-fingered. He grew a spider plant for me that was magnificent and he worked with horses eventually. (Grew a lot more things but I had the spider plant and it descendants for years.)
The light that came on in a little girl's eyes when she suddenly got how to do division and percentages and the relationships in numbers.
The little one who struggled with balance but was wonderful at rounders.
All these are milestones in a child's life that I was privileged to witness.
I loved being a teacher (even with the stare!! ;-) ) and I know that I would be a rebel today because I would not follow the rigid lines they have and paperwork... ohhhh.

:-)
I knew it......

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