The Scottish Politics thread

[blueparrot]

I've not seen the sgc report Saddleworth referenced which apparently deals with this? It does seem that the general SNP rhetoric is a little light on these facts, particularly as they are so willing to espouse similar issues arising from leaving the EU.

Read report — Sustainable Growth Commission

Scotland – the new case for optimism A strategy for inter-generational economic renaissance

www.sustainablegrowthcommission.scot

 

[blueinsa]

I've not seen the sgc report Saddleworth referenced which apparently deals with this? It does seem that the general SNP rhetoric is a little light on these facts, particularly as they are so willing to espouse similar issues arising from leaving the EU.

That's my take as a brexit voter. I've zero issue in Scots independence if they vote for it. I do raise a rye smile though when those who find every negative imaginable re brexit suddenly ignore incredibly similar scenarios and say it will be fine and will all work itself out.

It will work itself out, no doubt eventually but i said it earlier, Scots really are canny fuckers when it comes to cash money and that is a compliment and they know its going to cost them and will want to know how much?

 

[blueinsa]

Read report — Sustainable Growth Commission

Scotland – the new case for optimism A strategy for inter-generational economic renaissance

www.sustainablegrowthcommission.scot

A report from May 2018, pre covid is no longer relevant imo.

The world has changed immeasurably for the foreseeable future.

A successful independent Scotland will need huge amounts of immigration and investment in business and infrastructure and im not just talking the central belt. That must not become Scotland's London whilst the rest of us look on in envy and feeling left out which if we are honest now, is pretty much the case. Independence has to work for Dumfries, Wick, Ayr, everywhere and not just Glasgow and Edinburgh.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Possibly a case for trimming the perks now as it appears the rest of the UK is paying for them. I suppose through it is far from the only subsidised region and we are all free to live there if we wish.

Last time I looked the nw of England was also significantly subsidised. Maybe some trimming there too. In essence all but three uk regions are subsidised. But of course you knew that.

 

[Saddleworth2]

That's my take as a brexit voter. I've zero issue in Scots independence if they vote for it. I do raise a rye smile though when those who find every negative imaginable re brexit suddenly ignore incredibly similar scenarios and say it will be fine and will all work itself out.

It will work itself out, no doubt eventually but i said it earlier, Scots really are canny fuckers when it comes to cash money and that is a compliment and they know its going to cost them and will want to know how much?

I think in the case of Brexit there was a perceived lack of sovereignty for the UK. In the case of Scottish independence that lack of sovereignty is vey real. As proven by Brexit. :-)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Last time I looked the nw of England was also significantly subsidised. Maybe some trimming there too. In essence all but three uk regions are subsidised. But of course you knew that.

The difference being the other subsidised UK regions don't offer perks above that of the rest of the UK and expect everyone else to pay for it.

 

[Saddleworth2]

The difference being the other subsidised UK regions don't offer perks above that of the rest of the UK and expect everyone else to pay for it.

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The difference being the other subsidised UK regions don't offer perks above that of the rest of the UK and expect everyone else to pay for it.

the Barnett formula doesn’t take account of that. It is the Scottish government that prioritises spend. England could do exactly the same if it wanted.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

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the Barnett formula doesn’t take account of that. It is the Scottish government that prioritises spend. England could do exactly the same if it wanted.

Its not a case of priorities, it's case of spending what you don't have and other UK regions paying for it. Other UK regions spend above their income per head, but they don't try and offer perks above and beyond what you'd get in London and the south East - the regions effectively paying for it. This is like poncing off your mum to afford a flash car.

 

[blueinsa]

I think in the case of Brexit there was a perceived lack of sovereignty for the UK. In the case of Scottish independence that lack of sovereignty is vey real. As proven by Brexit. :-)

I think its a case of massive double standards to be honest but we wont ever agree on that so will move on swiftly ;-)

 

[Saddleworth2]

A report from May 2018, pre covid is no longer relevant imo.

The world has changed immeasurably for the foreseeable future.

A successful independent Scotland will need huge amounts of immigration and investment in business and infrastructure and im not just talking the central belt. That must not become Scotland's London whilst the rest of us look on in envy and feeling left out which if we are honest now, is pretty much the case. Independence has to work for Dumfries, Wick, Ayr, everywhere and not just Glasgow and Edinburgh.

The report is the latest material piece of work and deals with some of the topics you raise. The impact of Covid is clearly not addressed.