The Scottish Politics thread

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Just as the the UK is finding its feet after Brexit, an independent Scotland will have teething troubles. I applaud your optimism and I hope it is repaid. Only time will tell if independence is the solution to your travails. The big bad wolf has been around since man first started telling tales. Is paradise regained once he's gone? Or does another ogre emerge?
Eire, over time, may give you some pointers with regard to any future relationship with Brussels. Its relationship is the closest to the one you would have with the EU.
By the way, I don't think you are fucking thick. Highly romantic maybe. Invaders don't come in long-ships anymore. They're much more subtle now.
I try to have a mix of romanticism with pragmatism. I know it won't be easy, nothing worthwhile seldom is. I am an optimist, no laughing at the back, but I essentially am. I believe in people, I believe when it comes to it, in difficult times, we will stand up and be counted. Will it be a cake walk, no, will we be tested, absolutely, but it isn't easy now. Its hasn't been easy for years, in fact, it never has or will be easy. You're spot on, big bad wolves change into Grandma's clothes and try to chew your head off. Be wary of the wolf, but don't be terrified of him. Anyway, I like wolves, they give life a certain tang. My hopes for Indy are simple, we decide. Good or bad, it's us and not a group who don't even care. We tried that, it never works. We are like a colony and for some of us, that sticks in the craw. I appreciate you hoping it works, that's all we ask. Let us decide and when we do, it's down to our character to make a go of it. I have no doubt we will and we will face condemnation at every turn from those here who will continue to oppose it, the Britnats, the bend the knee types, the types who if they grew a set, would put their shoulder to make it work, rather than scupper at every opportunity. They wolves we will deal with. They never leave. Mores the pity, hopefully they will move south to unite in gammon areas and your good guys can come here. Happy days. For us, you lot will be fucked if they do. But, one consolation, your statues will be safe as.
 
Scotland isn’t an island, nor is it isolated. If it chose independence, then presumably it would have a share of Royal Navy resources, and if it joined the European Union, it would presumably collaborate with other European forces.
I see us continuing to be part of a GB armed force. One benefit is we won't vote to enter stupid fucking wars that anyone with a semblance of I tekk7gence knows are a disaster waiting to happen.. We have had two of them and the lessons of them should be remembered. We owe that to our troops.
 
Croatia has a longer coastline than Scotland, but a smaller population, and it appears to be managing.

Erm, dude, your scale ruler is off. Scotland's coast line is a good 5 times that of croatia's. about 4000km vs 19000.
 
We send twice the Barnet formula every year in tax, and that doesn't include oil or whisky.
Yes, we can defend it as no **** is attacking it since the Vikings
The EU are already making moves to fastrack us back in, as we didn't want to leave and if we are back, inward investment will increase as we have access to the market.
We won't blame anybody but ourselves, but you seem to think we are fucking thick and unable to succeed. We are very clever and always have been. Will we get everything right? Do the Tories? Does anyone? No, so that's a straw man argument. Show me any country thst never fucks things up and I will show you one that has never existed. There are hundreds of small countries doing very well without our natural resources, science, education, culture and grit. We will be absolutely fine and as an absolute worst case scenario, we will be no worse than being run by an absent landlord who treats us like shit. Have you listened to that fat lying bastard Boris, telling us what he will allow us to do, in our own country, after we voted for it? I would take the same ten years of utter austerity they cunts have foistered on us any day, if we could work to determine how we fix it. The question you should ask, is, can we afford not to have the Scots? My bet is you can't. Hence the absolute reluctance to let us go. They may convince you and some of us we can't do it, but why are they so scared? Time will reveal that and it won't be good for you more than it is for us.
You will be stuck with Tories. Getting away from they cunts would be worth the ticket alone.

You are correct that Scotland pays about £66bn in tax (including oil) and the Barnett formula grants Scotland about £32bn. However overall public spending in Scotland is about £81bn which leaves a structural deficit of £15bn (or 25%) in the public purse that will need closing somehow (cuts, tax increases, and borrowing).

I was unable to find any overtures to Scotland from the EU and would be shocked if any had been publicly made so I would question the statement “The EU are already making moves to fastrack us back in”. I’d also add that creating a hard border with the rest of the UK would impact around 75% of Scottish trade which won’t help the economy with increased costs etc - unless we resolve the issues with the free trade agreement with the EU of course ;)

Personally I much prefer the UK as is, with Scotland in it, we are stronger together - and it will be a sad day indeed should you ever leave the UK.
 
I see us continuing to be part of a GB armed force. One benefit is we won't vote to enter stupid fucking wars that anyone with a semblance of I tekk7gence knows are a disaster waiting to happen.. We have had two of them and the lessons of them should be remembered. We owe that to our troops.
Not sure about that. The subs might be too high (see what I did there). Trident in particular.
Maybe for a short period but I would rather we did what every other small country does.
I believe Ireland has an army of around 7,000. The UK has 110,000 incl reservists.
 
Apologies, I omitted the islands. Still don’t think it would be an enormous issue.

No of course not. I should have added that numbers aside, I agree with your point.

Incidentally, even without the islands btw, it is at least twice if not almost 3 times in length of croatia's. People forget how vast Scotland is, includiging us in the UK. It is effectively 30% of the UK. This whole 'moaning wee corner in the north' attitude, for a country of that area and resource (fair enough a tiny comparable population) is a bit of a joke.
 
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Eire, over time, may give you some pointers with regard to any future relationship with Brussels. Its relationship is the closest to the one you would have with the EU.
By the way, I don't think you are fucking thick. Highly romantic maybe. Invaders don't come in long-ships anymore. They're much more subtle now.
As long as you don’t match our divorce settlement from the union.
A bit messy.
 
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Not sure about that. The subs might be too high (see what I did there). Trident in particular.
Maybe for a short period but I would rather we did what every other small country does.
I believe Ireland has an army of around 7,000. The UK has 110,000 incl reservists.
To be honest it's not top of my priorities, but it could be used to divide us, so just say, we will continue with land, sea, minus Trident, and air force. Don't create fissures that we don't need. I have no problem keeping our forces in a combined defence.
 
I try to have a mix of romanticism with pragmatism. I know it won't be easy, nothing worthwhile seldom is. I am an optimist, no laughing at the back, but I essentially am. I believe in people, I believe when it comes to it, in difficult times, we will stand up and be counted. Will it be a cake walk, no, will we be tested, absolutely, but it isn't easy now. Its hasn't been easy for years, in fact, it never has or will be easy. You're spot on, big bad wolves change into Grandma's clothes and try to chew your head off. Be wary of the wolf, but don't be terrified of him. Anyway, I like wolves, they give life a certain tang. My hopes for Indy are simple, we decide. Good or bad, it's us and not a group who don't even care. We tried that, it never works. We are like a colony and for some of us, that sticks in the craw. I appreciate you hoping it works, that's all we ask. Let us decide and when we do, it's down to our character to make a go of it. I have no doubt we will and we will face condemnation at every turn from those here who will continue to oppose it, the Britnats, the bend the knee types, the types who if they grew a set, would put their shoulder to make it work, rather than scupper at every opportunity. They wolves we will deal with. They never leave. Mores the pity, hopefully they will move south to unite in gammon areas and your good guys can come here. Happy days. For us, you lot will be fucked if they do. But, one consolation, your statues will be safe as.
All the best in whatever happens. I have learnt one thing. Don't post in the politics section!
 
Oh fuck, forget everything I've said, we are screwed. He has arisen. ..... again.....what a surprise.....who knew?
Was on the telly stirring up apathy
 

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Speaking as an outsider, morally, Scotland should have independence, they should be Masters of the own destiny even if they struggle financially.

As far as protecting their coastline, here in Australia we have a bigger coastline than America and there's only 25 million of us, we seem to do ok.
 
Speaking as an outsider, morally, Scotland should have independence, they should be Masters of the own destiny even if they struggle financially.

As far as protecting their coastline, here in Australia we have a bigger coastline than America and there's only 25 million of us, we seem to do ok.
The coastline argument is a bolt from the blue tbh. I'm not sure anyone has tried to trouble the Scottish coast since the Norwegians did it in rowing boats.
 
The coastline argument is a bolt from the blue tbh. I'm not sure anyone has tried to trouble the Scottish coast since the Norwegians did it in rowing boats.
In spite of my "promise" to Magicpole, I have to clarify my point about the coastline. The cost of "maintaining" (customs; fisheries protection; defence: environmental et al) the Scottish coastline would need to be divided by 5 million after independence rather than by 22 million (based on Scotland's coastline comprising roughly 33% of the UK's total coastline (after a quick look at a map)). A 450% increase.
 

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