The Scottish Politics thread

[blueinsa]

She had no reason to step away then did she?

 

[blueparrot]

She had no reason to step away then did she?

Might have had lots of reasons.Sometimes people just get tired of it all.

 

[Brewster's millions]

The exact same will be said about the club though no doubt, if eventually cleared. And you will possibly be annoyed by it.

The two situations aren’t comparable.

I expect the club to be cleared, and therefore no individual at the club will have a case to answer.

With the SNP, as it stands, we’re being asked to believe that one person would be seen as responsible for embezzlement and the broader chaos which appeared to surround its finances, but that someone like Sturgeon knew nothing about it.

Absolutely comical. If someone farted in the SNP HQ car park, she’d probably know about it.

 

[blueparrot]

The two situations aren’t comparable.

I expect the club to be cleared, and therefore no individual at the club will have a case to answer.

With the SNP, as it stands, we’re being asked to believe that one person would be seen as responsible for embezzlement and the broader chaos which appeared to surround its finances, but that someone like Sturgeon knew nothing about it.

Absolutely comical. If someone farted in the SNP HQ car park, she’d probably know about it.

No reason to think she'd have any involvement in funds and accounting. You either let the police investigate or don't. As pointed out if we are cleared then you either beleive the independent panel or you don't.If you don't though you're basing it on guess work and predjudice.

 

[Brewster's millions]

No reason to think she'd have any involvement in funds and accounting. You either let the police investigate or don't. As pointed out if we are cleared then you either beleive the independent panel or you don't.If you don't though you're basing it on guess work and predjudice.

As pointed out, comparisons between what’s happening with City’s charges and with Murrell/Sturgeon aren’t valid. Entirely different in nature.

Sturgeon claimed to know enough about the party’s finances in 2023, when she told her senior colleague that the financial situation had never been better, and that any rumours of difficulties should stop immediately. Also strange that she never questioned why members of her party’s finance and audit committee resigned after being denied access to the books.

But, again, I suppose Sturgeon is such a naive, uncomplicated individual that things like this would never really be on her radar, and she would never want to know more than she strictly needs to.

 

[blueparrot]

As pointed out, comparisons between what’s happening with City’s charges and with Murrell/Sturgeon aren’t valid. Entirely different in nature.

Sturgeon claimed to know enough about the party’s finances in 2023, when she told her senior colleague that the financial situation had never been better, and that any rumours of difficulties should stop immediately. Also strange that she never questioned why members of her party’s finance and audit committee resigned after being denied access to the books.

But, again, I suppose Sturgeon is such a naive, uncomplicated individual that things like this would never really be on her radar, and she would never want to know more than she strictly needs to.

Okay you've decided not to believe the extensive police investigation. Up to you.

 

[Saddleworth2]

That’s that then.

Of course she’s completely innocent and, being the naive, unquestioning soul that she is, she knew nothing about her party’s finances or what was really going on inside her party’s HQ.

It was all a complete mystery to her.

Will you have the same attitude when City are found innocent?

 

[Coatigan]

She had no reason to step away then did she?

C'mon, you know fine well you are neither that naive, nor duplicitous.

While that in itself is actually true, there is no tenable way that would have worked, or worked as long as this lasted.

And righly so, the mechanisms all worked as they do.

 

[Saddleworth2]

She had no reason to step away then did she?

Given the media assassination over the last couple of years based on this hanging over her, don't you think she had reason enough?

As pointed out, comparisons between what’s happening with City’s charges and with Murrell/Sturgeon aren’t valid. Entirely different in nature.

No at all. In both case, the media makes up its mind and those that want to believe the allegations are true pile on. Very similar I think and in both cases hypocricy at the forefront.

 

[blueinsa]

C'mon, you know fine well you are neither that naive, nor duplicitous.

While that in itself is actually true, there is no tenable way that would have worked, or worked as long as this lasted.

And righly so, the mechanisms all worked as they do.

I’m not the one claiming she did absolutely nothing wrong here.

As a politician, she allowed herself to be embroiled in scandal and ultimately it did for her.

BTW, the police and CPS not charging doesn’t mean she didn’t know and I simply refuse to believe that as party leader and wife to Murrell, she had no clue whatsoever.

She took the fall as all leaders will ultimately do.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Will you have the same attitude when City are found innocent?

No I won’t, because the two situations are entirely different.

City have been charged as an institution. In the unlikely event that they are proven guilty, then I would find it a bit silly to believe that a single person was responsible for everything that occurred, and that the senior leadership team were completely unaware of what was happening.

If you want to believe that someone like Sturgeon had no knowledge of what was happening in a party that she had complete control over then I’m very happy for you.

 

[blueparrot]

No I won’t, because the two situations are entirely different.

City have been charged as an institution. In the unlikely event that they are proven guilty, then I would find it a bit silly to believe that a single person was responsible for everything that occurred, and that the senior leadership team were completely unaware of what was happening.

If you want to believe that someone like Sturgeon had no knowledge of what was happening in a party that she had complete control over then I’m very happy for you.

So do you believe the police were incompetent or corrupt ?

 

[Saddleworth2]

No I won’t, because the two situations are entirely different.

City have been charged as an institution. In the unlikely event that they are proven guilty, then I would find it a bit silly to believe that a single person was responsible for everything that occurred, and that the senior leadership team were completely unaware of what was happening.

If you want to believe that someone like Sturgeon had no knowledge of what was happening in a party that she had complete control over then I’m very happy for you.

An extensive police investigation found no wrongdoing. But hey, she must be guilty of something.

 

[Coatigan]

I’m not the one claiming she did absolutely nothing wrong here.

As a politician, she allowed herself to be embroiled in scandal and ultimately it did for her.

BTW, the police and CPS not charging doesn’t mean she didn’t know and I simply refuse to believe that as party leader and wife to Murrell, she had no clue whatsoever.

She took the fall as all leaders will ultimately do.

Agree on all.

I may have misunderstood the tone of your previous post. All good.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

An extensive police investigation found no wrongdoing. But hey, she must be guilty of something.

So she has no idea that her husband, the man she lived with was commiting fraud, stealing money, buying a 120k motorhome and parking it on his mothers drive, she never asked any questions and wondered what was going on. Plausible yes but in the same breath utterly ridiculous. You can't blame her for lying to stay out of prison but you have to be very gullible to believe that she knew nothing of what was going on.

 

[bluethrunthru]

An extensive police investigation found no wrongdoing. But hey, she must be guilty of something.

next lets move on to Harding and Mone. Using the same logic both knew what was going on

 

[blueparrot]

So she has no idea that her husband, the man she lived with was commiting fraud, stealing money, buying a 120k motorhome and parking it on his mothers drive, she never asked any questions and wondered what was going on. Plausible yes but in the same breath utterly ridiculous. You can't blame her for lying to stay out of prison but you have to be very gullible to believe that she knew nothing of what was going on.

If he is guilty of embezzlement , I'm sure he was taking steps to hide it from the SNP and their accountants. It's no big step to assume he'd be more than capable of hiding it from his wife who had quite a bit on her plate at the time. As I'm sure many husbands or wives hide may things from their partners. You can make an assumption she must have known, but it's still only a guess and an assumption and that's not a basis for knowing anything in fact.
As pointed out when the verdict comes in our case and if exonerated fans of other teams will still say they must have done something and we got away with fraud, again based on guesses and assumptons and baseless in fact.

 

[Saddleworth2]

So she has no idea that her husband, the man she lived with was commiting fraud, stealing money, buying a 120k motorhome and parking it on his mothers drive, she never asked any questions and wondered what was going on. Plausible yes but in the same breath utterly ridiculous. You can't blame her for lying to stay out of prison but you have to be very gullible to believe that she knew nothing of what was going on.

Police must be gullible too then. If they had found that she knew then surely that would have been enough to charge her.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Police must be gullible too then. If they had found that she knew then surely that would have been enough to charge her.

There's knowing and there is getting enough evidence to charge. Two different things.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

If he is guilty of embezzlement , I'm sure he was taking steps to hide it from the SNP and their accountants. It's no big step to assume he'd be more than capable of hiding it from his wife who had quite a bit on her plate at the time. As I'm sure many husbands or wives hide may things from their partners. You can make an assumption she must have known, but it's still only a guess and an assumption and that's not a basis for knowing anything in fact.
As pointed out when the verdict comes in our case and if exonerated fans of other teams will still say they must have done something and we got away with fraud, again based on guesses and assumptons and baseless in fact.

There's a big difference between the witch hunt with City and a husband and wife embezzling money. Do you seriously nit think she would have asked why they had bought a 120k motorhome. Would your wife not have asked questions.