The Sun "newspaper"

NMB said:
To test the effect of what the press write ask a neutral this question; "Why did Samir Nasri and RVP leave Arsenal?" . The answer should be , "for the same reasons and with the same results." In my experience,however, most neutrals are of the opinion that Nasri is a money grabbing toad and RVP , understandably wanted to better himself and win titles. This is how the press presented things and readers have taken it in.
Bullshit. If all this was reversed and Newcastle had received the Sheik's millions and Nasri et al all went there, people wouldn't need the press to form their opinion, as good old jealousy would do it for them. Put another way, who were we before the Sheikh came? A club fans of Newcastle, Sunderland, Everton, Spurs and a whole host of others could argue their club was bigger than ours. Then, all of a sudden, the worlds best players come here, coincidentally as we strike it rich. If we are going to discuss human nature then jealousy is right at the top, especially where football comes into play. People don't need the press to say 'he's a money grabbing ****', because jealousy will have already made that decision for them. Does it matter? No.
 
sun and newspaper? Not sure I understand this concept, I suppose the sun fires out solar flares that disrupt the earths magnetic field as the sun comic fires off disingenuous claptrap to cause a disruption in the tiny minds of its readers...! Fuck it I need a beer...!
 
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Struggling with today's crossword - 9 down. A women has two of these on her chest. T something t something? Any clues?
 
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BoyBlue_1985 said:
nmc said:
Struggling with today's crossword - 9 down. A women has two of these on her chest. T something t something? Any clues?
How man letters is it?
Asking a sun reader to count to 4 shame on you ;)
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
ManCityX said:
Pige doesn't have that emotional attachment to City the same way many of us do.

If someone started having a go at our mum in the middle of the street, we'd naturally rush to defend her.

Congratulations.
The 'Biggest Blue Of The Day' and 'Daftest Analogy Of The Day' awards are yours.
Who on earth are you to guage the emotional attatchment, ( whatever the fuck that means ), of folk you have never met?
Could you possibly post your Emotional Attachment Scale so we can all work out exactly where we stand?
'If you don't agree with the agenda then you lack emotional attachment'.
Bluemoon Top Trumps logic at it's finest.
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Im getting sick to death of my support being questioned because im reasonable

Absolutely nobody questions your support, BB.

And absolutely nobody thinks you're reasonable

:)
 
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Pige has admitted in the past his arguments are shaped by which side of the debate he has put himself on rather than his actual beliefs.

I doubt he believes half of what he is saying in this thread.
 
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moomba said:
Pige has admitted in the past his arguments are shaped by which side of the debate he has put himself on rather than his actual beliefs.

So are everyone else's.
It is a perfectly natural stance.

I doubt he believes half of what he is saying in this thread.

How on earth do you come to that conclusion?
Do you have the ability to psychoanalise posters you have never met?
I broadly agree with him - or do I not believe half of what I'm posting either?
 
Chris in London said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Pige is right up to a point about the limited impact of the bile-ridden narrative of much of the media in this country upon City's plans to appeal to a wider audience, but I don't think that's the point for many City fans.

How the club is perceived in this country is important to many fans. There is an innate desire within nearly all supporters of all clubs to want to feel proud of their club. It's a little absurd if you think about it, because we have little or no power over how our clubs are run, but nonetheless the vast majority derive a sense of pride if their club is well supported, plays in the right way or if there's a good team spirit in the squad, for example. The same goes for how 'big' people's club they support is. To deride the club of someone else as 'small' or 'small time' for that matter is used as a weapon of choice in the game of footballing one-upmanship. It's nuts that it gets to people if you stop and think about it. Why should your club being perceived as smaller than you personally consider it, be a source of anything other than a shrug of the shoulders, rather than provoking a response like quoting attendance figures from fifteen years ago, for example. It shouldn't matter, but it does.

Wanting to protect and defend something we care about is a natural human instinct and for most football supporters that extends to the club they support. When people in the press, who purport to be professionals, write lies about our club, or don't report in a balanced, even handed way, or comment upon the club in a sneering, disrespectful way then for many of us, the responses you see on here are a natural reaction to that, myself included.

If I meet someone in a pub and they start bad mouthing City to me, then I usually disabuse them of whatever misconceptions they've got in fairly short order. I cannot respond in a similar way to the likes of Rob Beasley, not least because he hasn't engaged with me directly. On that basis it is entirely natural for me, and others, to express our disquiet about him and what he's said on a football forum. It's merely football supporters doing what comes naturally.

It's tribal. That's why we feel protective of our club, thats why take a pride in it's achievements and it's why we feel better about ourselves when we win. Did your mortgage rate come down when we won the league? Me neither. But I still felt fucking fantastic for weeks afterwards.

Where I seriously part company with pidge is his dismissal of the importance of brand management and the impact in commercial terms of negative publicity over a prolonged period.

We all know what the butterfly effect is. In terms of multinational brand management the way to prevent the butterfly effect from taking hold to the point where it harms your brand is to stop the butterfly from flapping it's wings. That is why big companies try to micro-manage their brand image to the Nth degree.

Stepping away from football, the biggest libel trial in English legal history was a case brought by McDonalds against some protesters who had been handing out leaflets outside McDonalds in Bristol or somewhere. The general tenor of the leaflets was 'big macs are shit in nutritional terms'. The trial of McDonalds libel claim took over a year. They poured millions and millions and millions into the budget, calling expert nutritionists from over the world to deal with the fat content and the freshness of the salad. They had no chance of recovering any money from the publishers of the leaflet (who handed out a few hundred leaflets maybe) but that wasn't why they brought the claim. They did so in order to stomp on anybody else who might have been thinking about bad-mouthing them - harming the brand. They did so in full knowledge that they would be seen as the Bad Guy in this David v Goliath legal case, but they calculated the harm to their brand was much greater if they did nothing. And They didn't just protect their brand, they used a sledgehammer to crack a nut in doing so.

On pidge's analysis, they should have said to themselves 'who cares what some bearded **** who wears socks with his sandals says in some shit leaflet he hands out on a wet Saturday morning in Bristol. We're McDonald's, we have an outlet within 15 minutes drive time of 95% of the country.'

They didn't. They went to extraordinary lengths to protect their brand image, and almost any other big company would have adopted more or less the same strategy.

The point is, brand image matters. You don't get rust from one drop of rain falling on your bike, you get it from it raining all the time. Every click on a negative article about city is like another drop of rain. The effect is cumulative, and it's damaging. Every major commercial organisation in the world knows this. That's why we should worry about it.

Now THAT is a cracking post.

I am completely staggered that anyone (Pige) could disagree with a word of it. Clearly the bile and hatred being spouted by some of the media is detrimental. The only question is how detrimental and whether on a balance of judgement it is better to let it wash over us, or to take active steps to stop it. Personally, I think some of the latter is appropriate. I am not talking about sueing anyone, MacDonald's style (yet). But banning certain journalists from press conferences might be a start.

Is it a coincidence that Ferguson took all this so seriously, and at the same time, during his reign he benefitted from very supportive media coverage and countless beneficial referreeing decisions? No, it is not coincidence. United exerted power over the media and used it to their great advantage.
 
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nijinsky's fetlocks said:
moomba said:
Pige has admitted in the past his arguments are shaped by which side of the debate he has put himself on rather than his actual beliefs.

So are everyone else's.
It is a perfectly natural stance.

I doubt he believes half of what he is saying in this thread.

How on earth do you come to that conclusion?
Do you have the ability to psychoanalise posters you have never met?
I broadly agree with him - or do I not believe half of what I'm posting either?
Moomba is just resorting to trying to have a pop when everyone else on the thread can see exactly where my stance is where this is concerned. Moomba likes to do that, and I would say he's resorted to it because he doesn't like the fact i'm making sense. Fuck Moomba anyway, that's how I see it.
 

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