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[terraloon]

It is not down to them but they and the agents they employ are part of the problem.

KDB does not have an agent but he has rode on the back of other star players agents who have managed to ensure players are paid this huge amounts

This argument that if you offered X amount you would take it is all well and good but then do not bleat when your company/business spoils your little cosy dream looking to get the money to pay your £400k a week or whatever it is.

If we want a game that does not need to constantly look at ways of making money then the players also have to consider what they ask for.

Sponsorship etc is still fan money

I include all players in this not just KDB

Personally I thought many of the players comments about fans smacked of hypocrisy.

There is a direct link between the spiralling cost of players wages which accounts for the bulk of clubs expenditure and the cost of match day tickets which for the majority of those living on a average wage simply cant afford to buy.Football despite all this nonsense is a million mile as away from the working mans sport of yesteryear

OK I am not naive enough to believe that reduced costs would have owners at most clubs rubbing their hands with glee but the players just like the owners really only look at this through their own eyes

 

[danielwood5]

Great post and the issues you raise are correct, but you need to put it into perspective regarding City as a club and institution. A small group of men you could fit in a family car caused this. Your club has been a pivitoll part of millions of people's lives for over 100 years. Through good times and bad and plenty of utter shit times in which the support stood their ground and kept the light on, no matter how bad people at the top ran the club. You have to remember one critical thing. You lot are Man City. Not any owner, any CEO, any suit who fucks things up and brings you into disrepute. For all their perceived and real power, you stood up when they tried to undermine what you stand for and you defeated them, for the simple reason that you are the club, and will still be long after they have moved on. I would be pissed off too, but, I would focus that anger on that small group of men, whose greed and total failure to grasp what our clubs mean to every supporter the world over.

It isn't the time to sweep it aside though. You deserve answers and those responsible need to pay a price. They are now aware that they might have all the money, but all their money couldn't stop the actual club, the support, from blowing them to fuck right out of the water. Be proud of that. Be proud your support had that integrity. Had the love of the game to say, go fuck yourselves, we will not have this. If anything, you should be more proud of City. You have loads of money and could have made more, but it went against being fair, being right. This to me would be a source of pride that you stood up and sent them scurrying. They aren't Man City, they have answers to give, responsibility to accept, those five or six men. They have let you down, but City was saved by the people who are City and who have been City since the first game played by men with big moustaches in shorts that could be turned into tents. Never forget that and take pride in that. You have sent a shot across the bows of men who think they can take an institution that you love and undermine whst it means. Their awful plan didn't set sail. It was intercepted before it left the harbour by City men and women and literally blown to fuck out of the water. So if you agree with me that we as the support are the club, are every club, then you can be proud of it. You haven't only helped City but you have given hope to us all that we can all reign in greedy, selfish, non football men and if they want to go ahead by going against all we hold dear, we can and will take them down. I'm proud of you, if anything you have shown how much integrity you have and a group of men have found out just how much and how strong that is. This was a battle that had to be fought for football supporters everywhere. You not only stood up and moved to the fight, you won. If you hadn't, the game we love would have died. Don't get me wrong, I would expect no less, but I tip my cap to you all. That's what you should take from this. You stood firm and helped save the game. That seems dramatic, but it isn't, it's true. If these billionaires and their CEO's got away with it and you did nothing, then City would be fucked. These men have an integrity problem, the people who have been City, who are City now and who will be in the future won.

Great words there and really well put, I agree with them all.

It's been a weird couple of days and the emotions have been all over the place for me personally.

I think mostly I just felt drained by it all, especially at the thought of what this would have done to football in this country and what would have been taken away from everyone else.

I did find it hard to be particularly outraged though, over the last twelve years there's been so much ridiculous political infighting and goings on that it's hard to care about football beyond what happens on the pitch. It's more a case of just taking each game as it's own as a separate entity separate from everything else going on off the pitch. If we win, lose or draw as long as the result was fair and square then I'm happy.

In a world where part of being a modern football supporter means having to also have a solid grasp of Middle Eastern socio-political events, American venture capitalism, media manipulation, the complexities of multi billion companies financial affairs, Far East betting syndicates, how bots spread football related misinformation on social media, the frame rate of television cameras and how that relates to the relative velocity of two athletes, not to mention how to tell if someone is a journalist, a blogger, an online troll or a paid media mouthpiece of a football club/country and which ones from these groups wank off dogs eventually it just all becomes a bit tiring.

I don't think anyone would have thought as we were watching Stuart Pearce think a footballing masterstroke was putting David James up front as a striker that just a short time in the future this is where we would be; a load of people up in arms about a scheme to protect the wealth of a few clubs that would eventually destroy football while just a week earlier people were complaining that the current plan in place to protect the wealth of a few clubs that would eventually destroy football didnt go far enough and was too weak.

What a load of old bollocks this entire shit show has become.

 

[Keeper!]

Personally I though many of the players comments about fans smacked of hypocrisy.

There is a direct link between the spiralling cost of players wages which accounts for the bulk of clubs expenditure and because of this there is a direct link between players wages and the cost of match day tickets which for the major of those living on a average wage simply cant afford.

OK I am not naive enough to believe that reduced costs would have owners at most clubs rubbing their hands with glee but the players just like the owners really only look at this through their own eyes

Exactly , IF this had gone ahead, would the players have left the clubs? Would they sign for smaller clubs? And would they take a considerable wage drop on principle?

 

[mccity]

In the fucking bin you absolute fucking twat.

I think the quotes are from an interview that took place before this whole thing collapsed, although it was published later than when it did collapse funnily enough.

 

[blue oli]

In the fucking bin you absolute fucking twat.

Yeah I can just see the defence kitted out as cats or fairies with AK47s running riot while the pitch reduces size - what bloody planet are these people on ?

 

[M12Blue]

Don't want an apology, but I think we deserve an explanation.

I'm sure it'll be something like:
We were approached about creating an alternative competition to the CL, which would enable the club to grow and provide the finances required to maintain a position at the top.
Haaland isn't coming for a fiver.
We sign an MOU to explore the possibility and as it appears the goalposts shifted, been there before remember, we began to have second thoughts. The response of the fans made it clear to us, we were right to be sceptical and immediately began proceedings to withdraw.
We have always valued our fans of this great club of which we are temporary custodians, however we understand our recent actions without prior consultation have strain that relationship, which we will Hard to rectify.
Moving on, we've signed Danny into cos were skint ;)

Seriously though they'll be nothing else other than insiders on here hearing this or that

 

[Coatigan]

I cant think of any other reason why this came out when it did, the night of the Sunday before. Maybe also the fact UEFA was also holding elections on the Monday and they were all planning to quit the ECA as well

I can. For example.

Timing of the debts of some of the clubs, particularly the spanish ones, and the pressure to secure against them.

The press getting a hold of it, or it being leaked. Once it was out there, it unfolded almost too quickly, hasty vague statements and a half ready website. Hard to beleive that would have been the plan for a 4bn project announcement

 

[Dribble]

No, it ain't. It never will be with that attitude. They aren't forgiven for that stunt just because they backtracked. They've dragged us through the mud and must be held to account.

What loyalty were we shown over the last 18 months? Premier League teams wanted us thrown out of the CL, heavily fined & docked points.

European teams wanted us thrown out of the CL & heavily fined.

UEFA/G14 tried threw us out of the CL, & heavily fined us.

Why should we show any of them a shred of loyalty, when none showed us any, or any compassion or understanding with our plight?

An offer was made to include us in this new project, just as it was in 1991 when the Football League four broke away to form the PL. Did you complain when City jumped ship & joined the PL? What would you have said if we refused, stuck to our principles & refused promotion from the Football League? What's the difference between the breakaway PL & the breakaway ESL? There's none that I can see.

City explored the opportunity, expressed cautionary interest, & then decided against it, so as I said, no harm done & it's as you were ladies & gents. We can't leave the Football League & join the PL, then complain that City considered leaving the CL & joining the ESL without seeming two faced can we?

After the way PL teams, CL teams & UEFA/G14 have targeted us the last 12 years, the lot of em can go get fucked as far as I'm concerned. They never gave a shit about City, & actively tried everything in their power to halt us challenging football's elite, so tell me why we should be getting all pious today, & giving a shit about the very teams & organisations who wanted to neuter us?

 

[Carlos- the- jackal]

Great words there and really well put, I agree with them all.

It's been a weird couple of days and the emotions have been all over the place for me personally.

I think mostly I just felt drained by it all, especially at the thought of what this would have done to football in this country and what would have been taken away from everyone else.

I did find it hard to be particularly outraged though, over the last twelve years there's been so much ridiculous political infighting and goings on that it's hard to care about football beyond what happens on the pitch. It's more a case of just taking each game as it's own as a separate entity separate from everything else going on off the pitch. If we win, lose or draw as long as the result was fair and square then I'm happy.

In a world where part of being a modern football supporter means having to also have a solid grasp of Middle Eastern socio-political events, American venture capitalism, media manipulation, the complexities of multi billion companies financial affairs, Far East betting syndicates, how bots spread football related misinformation on social media, the frame rate of television cameras and how that relates to the relative velocity of two athletes, not to mention how to tell if someone is a journalist, a blogger, an online troll or a paid media mouthpiece of a football club/country and which ones from these groups wank off dogs eventually it just all becomes a bit tiring.

I don't think anyone would have thought as we were watching Stuart Pearce think a footballing masterstroke was putting David James up front as a striker that just a short time in the future this is where we would be; a load of people up in arms about a scheme to protect the wealth of a few clubs that would eventually destroy football while just a week earlier people were complaining that the current plan in place to protect the wealth of a few clubs that would eventually destroy football didnt go far enough and was too weak.

What a load of old bollocks this entire shit show has become.

Great post pal, if i had a cap i’d doff it!

 

[Legal Alien]

Wow, soriano goes for carrying out something UAE would give the nod for.
Barca boys start an exodus Pep goes with him.

Yeah i agree, i hope the club don't make him a scapegoat.
I also hope Pep was fully informed about the club's decision, i would hate for him to leave because of this.