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[Barcon]

I don't know what has happened here but I find it very hard to believe that they didn't realize the backlash and possible repercussions that would come their way.

 

[MarsLlama]

Agree. Imo bringing back league winners only is a no-brainer. Would make the secound european tournament much better and more rewarding than it is today aswell.

It would make the Europa League great and the Champions League completely irrelevant until the quarter-finals at the earliest. Who wants to watch City in a group with Club Brugge, Rangers and APOEL and then a round of 16 tie vs the incredible Red Star Belgrade?

Your suggestion would kill the Champions League dead.

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

I don’t know if you have been watching the hype those saviours of football-aka Sky Sports, are saying about how the clubs have broken the PL rule book but yet again the coverage is not just biased they are deliberately mis quoting the applicable PL rule.

Each year the rule book is reprinted and is only relevant to that season. So the 20/21 season is about season 20/21. I know that’s obvious but bear with me.

Here’s the rule that Sky are suggesting the 6 have broken

L.9.
Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup; or
L.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member.

Unless I misread it , and that’s possible, how have any of the clubs entered the 20/21 version of the ESL?

they entered it. Entering in and playing in are two different things.

 

[Dribble]

There is a lot of truth to what you spell out here. But there is also a big difference between the people who run clubs and the fans who support them. The Wolves owners may have wanted us thrown out of Europe, but the majority of their fans were embarrassed by what they'd done, for example.

Some fans were embarrassed, but my experience was that most fans were glad we were being thrown out of Europe & were quite happy to tell us we were crooks who broke the rules.

This is like a neighbour or work colleague who's jealous of your lottery win. They can't be happy for you, & wish you lose the lot & return to their financial level. That's the emotion of envy.

That's why my views have hardened after 12 years of having to defend the club I love. For me it's personal. I've been through a lot in life, but through my good & bad times, City have been a constant, just as I've been a constant through City's good & bad times.

Right now I'm happy for City to do what's in our best interests. I really don't have the capacity to give a shit about the clubs & organisations who were happy to see our demise, & actively worked to make that happen.

There are sensible fans who've wished us well, & were embarrassed their clubs joined the calls to stop us, but as I said, the vast majority of fans I've come up against hate us, just because we won the lottery & have tried to better ourselves as a result. So from me to them, they can go fuck themselves on a rusty pole mate.

 

[LongsightM13]

I don’t know if you have been watching the hype those saviours of football-aka Sky Sports, are saying about how the clubs have broken the PL rule book but yet again the coverage is not just biased they are deliberately mis quoting the applicable PL rule.

Each year the rule book is reprinted and is only relevant to that season. So the 20/21 season is about season 20/21. I know that’s obvious but bear with me.

Here’s the rule that Sky are suggesting the 6 have broken

L.9.
Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup; or
L.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member.

Unless I misread it , and that’s possible, how have any of the clubs entered the 20/21 version of the ESL?

They couldn’t get their heads around the very basics of FFP so I don’t think anyone would take legal analysis from Sky Sports News in any way seriously

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don’t know if you have been watching the hype those saviours of football-aka Sky Sports, are saying about how the clubs have broken the PL rule book but yet again the coverage is not just biased they are deliberately mis quoting the applicable PL rule.

Each year the rule book is reprinted and is only relevant to that season. So the 20/21 season is about season 20/21. I know that’s obvious but bear with me.

Here’s the rule that Sky are suggesting the 6 have broken

L.9.
Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup; or
L.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member.

Unless I misread it , and that’s possible, how have any of the clubs entered the 20/21 version of the ESL?

I guess it depends on what terminology is in the documents the clubs signed. It’ll be down to lawyer speak and the appetite of the other 14 clubs need for the 6 to be punished.

 

[Stockton Heath Blue]

Hypocrite.

So, in the full knowledge that this wouldn't work without the fans, Dippers pressed ahead anyway without consulting fans. "We listened" - No you didn't, you were shamed into changing your minds, just as was the case with increasing ticket prices in the new main stand or furloughing staff.

I'm not suggesting Sheikh Mansour is any better but JWH has no shame. Just say we fucked up and we're sorry. End of story.

 

[Keeper!]

Hypocrite.

So, in the full knowledge that this wouldn't work without the fans, Dippers pressed ahead anyway without consulting fans. "We listened" - No you didn't, you were shamed into changing your minds, just as was the case with increasing ticket prices in the new main stand or furloughing staff.

I'm not suggesting Sheikh Mansour is any better but JWH has no shame. Just say we fucked up and we're sorry. End of story.

Utter slime ball, a fitting owner for that club.

 

[terraloon]

they entered it. Entering in and playing in are two different things.

I accept that but if your take is right the words during the season wouldn’t be needed.

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

I accept that but if your take is right the words during the season wouldn’t be needed.

they did enter it this season. If they waited until after the season to announce it they'd have been cushty. They entered during the season.

 

[Sir peace frog]

From the fall out I've seen, to my biggest surprise it isn't heaped on city, and do people not think Why? when the media attack us for things we don't deserve stay quiet on us, they know that's why, have a watch of peps press conference go on watch it, all the other managers were shamed, pep fucking bounced in, we were told no questions about the SL ,pep said ask me anything, he was fucking buzzing ,he knew what had gone on ,we fucking shafted them ,this was a fucking huge scam, some right dodgy fuckers out of uefa power, some dodgy fuckers out of power in big clubs, fans won't allow owners to own, there's fucking carnage everywhere, except 2 clubs, wonder why, because we fucked them up, it looks too obvious to me

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

From the fall out I've seen, to my biggest surprise it isn't heaped on city, and do people not think Why? when the media attack us for things we don't deserve stay quiet on us, they know that's why, have a watch of peps press conference go on watch it, all the other managers were shamed, pep fucking bounced in, we were told no questions about the SL ,pep said ask me anything, he was fucking buzzing ,he knew what had gone on ,we fucking shafted them ,this was a fucking huge scam, some right dodgy fuckers out of uefa power, some dodgy fuckers out of power in big clubs, fans won't allow owners to own, there's fucking carnage everywhere, except 2 clubs, wonder why, because we fucked them up, it looks too obvious to me

bollocks

We'll still face the same punishments as the other 6. Someone at Man City colluded with executives at 11 other clubs and subverted their own fanbase and staff to try and rip the fabric out of the structures of football as it's stood for 100's of years.

I don't care what rule they have to invent to punish them but they should all be punished, extremely and swiftly. There is absolutely no excuse.

 

[Sir peace frog]

I’m not really interested in arguing, because it makes people look stupid when they argue without all the facts. I’m not saying you’re wrong. Khaldoon is indeed as you say, but the other clubs are also ran by intelligent, successful & no doubt manipulative people too. They may well be fully aware of Khaldoon’s acumen and that’s why they did give us such a small window to make such a big decision.

All we do know for certain is, we were in and out within 48 hours. That doesn’t scream well thought out, confident and committed to me. It’s screams rushed judgement.

Again, these are incredibly rich and powerful people. If the ESL were indeed something we were deeply committed to, a couple of graffitied bed sheets and Gary Neville wouldn’t have made the slightest dent.

They are skint and desperate,

 

[terraloon]

I guess it depends on what terminology is in the documents the clubs signed. It’ll be down to lawyer speak and the appetite of the other 14 clubs need for the 6 to be punished.

Yep I get that but the rule book is season specific in effect the 2021/22 can’t be written until the membership is known

 

[Uwe`s Grandad]

Jude Victor William Bellingham was 17 years, 9 months, 23 days old on the day this ended

 

[yankblue]

You mean 7 times European Champions AC Milan and three times European Champions Inter - Get in the bin you fucking weirdo

Cool story.

The same AC Milan that is absolutely broke and hasn't finished above 5th in a weak Serie A for 10 years? Whos last Champions League title was 15 years ago? Who hasn't even been able to qualify for the champions league from a weaker league in a decade now?

Or the Inter Milan side who is again, broke, and hasn't won a declining Serie A in 10 years, finishing outside the Champs league spots more often then not?

When's the last time either of those 2 clubs were serious draws or major powers? At the moment they are has beens.

Oh but they have the history so I suppose they should be given a free pass then yeah?

Fucking Spurs have more of a right to call themselves a top 12 European club than those two at the moment.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I don't know what has happened here but I find it very hard to believe that they didn't realize the backlash and possible repercussions that would come their way.

Perhaps they accepted it for the sake of executing a plan ?

 

[Sir peace frog]

bollocks

We'll still face the same punishments as the other 6. Someone at Man City colluded with executives at 11 other clubs and subverted their own fanbase and staff to try and rip the fabric out of the structures of football as it's stood for 100's of years.

I don't care what rule they have to invent to punish them but they should all be punished, extremely and swiftly. There is absolutely no excuse.

you seem certain that they can make up a rule to punish us with and accuse me of bollocks,

Right they haven't done anything wrong lets make something up a punish them, are you normal lol

 

[mannion18]

Something like this has been threatened for a long time & whether or not city were the inside guys to take this down I am unsure.
What it has highlighted again is that these clubs do not see this a game for the fans but only to maximize profits at every opportunity.
The Champions league has not been a competition worthy of its title since its creation.
The fact none champions can win the competition whilst losing numerous games along the way should have been the end of the competition.
But having numerous media outlets who are struggling for income (mainly due to the dross they print) actively promoting the teams they believe will produce the clicks to keep the money rolling has given all these teams the self entitlement they have. As they believe the utter garbage written about them.
The champions league needs a total overhaul and not the one that is currently on the table.
City need to take this opportunity to stand up and say that this is the time for change to promote competition and reward current achievements not past.
Scrap and seedings or coefficients and reward winners of the leagues an automatic place regardless of the country they compete in.
Perform draws for groups from one big bowl whereby it all comes down to the luck of the draw and not allowing the bigger clubs an easier ride out of the groups.
Fans want excitement, fans want to believe that no matter who they support and how much history or income their club has they have just as much of a chance to progress.
Historic achievements should not give you a free pass.
This would be a start, working out salary caps and set transfer budgets should be looked at too all in an effort to get back to what the game is about, tactics coaching and a pure desire to win. If the playing field evened a little there maybe more surprises along the way.
We have been lucky to have been invested in so heavily but I am pretty sure that the majority of us at this point do not want us just to get to the position where we win because we can out spend the rest. We want to continue to win as we have been doing by purchased strategically whilst employing one of the best tacticians,motivators,revolutionists and perfectionist the game has ever seen.
I’d like to think I am not seeing this through blue tinted spectacles but I truely believe we have earned every trophy we have ever won through hard work, determination, skill and professionalism from top to bottom, and not purely on the amount of money we have spent. Yes it has helped, but Mark Hughes, Van Gaal,the not so special one and even Whiskey nose in the early days has shown it’s not all about the money you spend yes it helps but that does not guarantee success.

 

[terraloon]

Hypocrite.

So, in the full knowledge that this wouldn't work without the fans, Dippers pressed ahead anyway without consulting fans. "We listened" - No you didn't, you were shamed into changing your minds, just as was the case with increasing ticket prices in the new main stand or furloughing staff.

I'm not suggesting Sheikh Mansour is any better but JWH has no shame. Just say we fucked up and we're sorry. End of story.

Couldn’t even be arsed to get out of his gardening clothes