The Tottenham Thread 12/13

Well I never. AVB's masterstroke was actually just a case of Ade ignoring his manager.

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Emmanuel Adebayor has blasted Tottenham manager Andre-Villas Boas for 'lying' to the media.

The Spurs boss told the press he would be happy for the striker to go to the Africa Cup of Nations with Togo.

But Adebayor disputes this, saying: 'That is what he said to the press but not what he said to me.

'There is a difference between what you say to the press and what you say in private.'
Adebayor was not going to play in the tournament, which starts in South Africa on January 19, due to fears of another attack like the one on the Togo team bus at the 2010 Cup of Nations and a row over unpaid bonuses.

But his country's president Faure Gnassingbe reassured the centre forward and he is set to be part of his nation's squad.
 
bluemiester said:
Speaker said:
bluemiester said:
Is it not true that over the previous 2 seasons you played 8 games without Modric and won 6, drew 1 and lost 1? Why is this never brought up?

You also never bring up that whilst you lost 3 key players, you also brought in Vertonghen, Dembele, Lloris and Dempsey. Yet SPurs fans talk as if you only lost players.

Weren't Sandro, King and Lennon missing for many games last season? Dawson and Huddlestone missed pretty much the entire season, yet were regular starters when you qualified for the CL.

There is no way around it, Arsenal suffered much more than you did. RVP's the closest thing we have in the Prem to a player who is as vital to his team as Messi or Ronaldo are to theirs. Without him Arsenal would have been way behind last season and Utd would not be above us this season. It's as simple as that. He scores match winning goals as key moments.

AVB hasn't been a failure, but to try and make out he's taken the club forward is just totally biased. He's done well and is a likable guy, but because his predecessor was less likable, many are desperately trying to make out AVB has done a great job, when it's not really true at all.

Please, 6 months ago no one in world football would have preferred Dembele to Modric, and still no one in world football would rather have Dempsey than VDV.

Re Modric: Bale didn't win a game in Spurs shirt for the first two years he was here, should we never play him due to that? Ridiculous statement that is never brought up because it means sweet fuck all. Modric was our talisman, all play flowed through him. The fact is AVB has improved us, both performance wise and results wise, at the same time as having the spine ripped out of the team that finished fourth last season.

Why should we finish "miles ahead" of Arsenal? We haven't since the Premier League began. Arsenal lost RVP, but gained Podolski and Cazorla. They lost Song, but gained Wilshere who was out all of last season. Yes they are a weaker side because of it, but on paper so are we.

Chelsea's squad is vastly improved upon from last season, but still they are struggling. Which pretty much proves that players don't make clubs, managers do.

That's absolute rubbish, it's not fact at all. Last season most pundits and experts were saying you played the best football in the country. This season there were times when you were booed off by your own fans.

It's not a ridiculous to point out your success without Modric. It wasn't to suggest you were a better team without him, but that you'd already shown you were perfectly capable of getting results without him. You just don't like it as it doesn't support the way you want to view things. I'm not saying Dembele is as good as Modric, but he's still a very good replacement. But the key point is that no matter how you spin it, Arsenal have lost have lost a far more important player.

You only finished a point behind them last season and as you say from the stat I showed you, RVP was worth way more than anyone else in the Premier League. You are both weaker, but Arsenal significantly more so than you. It's plain as day, but for some reason you don't seem keen to acknowledge it. This leads me to believe that you weren't a fan of Redknapp's and thus want to believe that things have improved by sacking him. When in reality things aren't really different.

We are 3 points better off than last season from the corresponding fixtures. That is a fact, not an opinion, a quantifiable fact. To achieve this with the rebuilding, amount of new faces, new system, and mountain of injuries we have had deserves more praise than you are willing to give.
 
moomba said:
Well I never. AVB's masterstroke was actually just a case of Ade ignoring his manager.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2260004/Emmanuel-Adebayor-blasts-lying-Andre-Villas-Boas.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -Boas.html</a>

Emmanuel Adebayor has blasted Tottenham manager Andre-Villas Boas for 'lying' to the media.

The Spurs boss told the press he would be happy for the striker to go to the Africa Cup of Nations with Togo.

But Adebayor disputes this, saying: 'That is what he said to the press but not what he said to me.

'There is a difference between what you say to the press and what you say in private.'
Adebayor was not going to play in the tournament, which starts in South Africa on January 19, due to fears of another attack like the one on the Togo team bus at the 2010 Cup of Nations and a row over unpaid bonuses.

But his country's president Faure Gnassingbe reassured the centre forward and he is set to be part of his nation's squad.

I think we can sympathise with Spurs here. Adebayor isn't exactly easy to work with, is he? I don't believe a word he says.
 
Speaker said:
bluemiester said:
Speaker said:
Please, 6 months ago no one in world football would have preferred Dembele to Modric, and still no one in world football would rather have Dempsey than VDV.

Re Modric: Bale didn't win a game in Spurs shirt for the first two years he was here, should we never play him due to that? Ridiculous statement that is never brought up because it means sweet fuck all. Modric was our talisman, all play flowed through him. The fact is AVB has improved us, both performance wise and results wise, at the same time as having the spine ripped out of the team that finished fourth last season.

Why should we finish "miles ahead" of Arsenal? We haven't since the Premier League began. Arsenal lost RVP, but gained Podolski and Cazorla. They lost Song, but gained Wilshere who was out all of last season. Yes they are a weaker side because of it, but on paper so are we.

Chelsea's squad is vastly improved upon from last season, but still they are struggling. Which pretty much proves that players don't make clubs, managers do.

That's absolute rubbish, it's not fact at all. Last season most pundits and experts were saying you played the best football in the country. This season there were times when you were booed off by your own fans.

It's not a ridiculous to point out your success without Modric. It wasn't to suggest you were a better team without him, but that you'd already shown you were perfectly capable of getting results without him. You just don't like it as it doesn't support the way you want to view things. I'm not saying Dembele is as good as Modric, but he's still a very good replacement. But the key point is that no matter how you spin it, Arsenal have lost have lost a far more important player.

You only finished a point behind them last season and as you say from the stat I showed you, RVP was worth way more than anyone else in the Premier League. You are both weaker, but Arsenal significantly more so than you. It's plain as day, but for some reason you don't seem keen to acknowledge it. This leads me to believe that you weren't a fan of Redknapp's and thus want to believe that things have improved by sacking him. When in reality things aren't really different.

We are 3 points better off than last season from the corresponding fixtures. That is a fact, not an opinion, a quantifiable fact. To achieve this with the rebuilding, amount of new faces, new system, and mountain of injuries we have had deserves more praise than you are willing to give.

I'm giving the right amount of praise, as I'm comparing with other actual football teams. Arsenal and Cheslea are also both better off an have too made changes. You are trying to make out as if Spurs are alone in bringing in new faces and losing big players, but it's the same for all clubs and even more so for you main rivals, Arsenal.

I've not been critical for the fact Cheslea have closed the gap on you, as it's too be expected given the players they brought in. But at the same time to try and claim any real progress when Arsenal have lost a far more important player than you, is just plain biased. The other team around you last season was Newcastle and they've had an absolute nightmare with injuries. Everton seemed to have closed the gap on you, but didn't lose any major players, unless you think Rodwell counts.

At the end of the day, you can spin it however you like, but there is no way of getting around the fact that very little has changed among the top 3-6 teams that can't very easily be explained by a quick glance at recent transfer activity. To try and deny RVP leaving Arsenal hasn't helped you more than losing your players has effected you, just seems very disingenuous to me.

I think all 3 of yourselves, Arsenal and Chelsea will win more points than last season, as the Prem in general seems very weak. So comparisons of points between this and last season don't really mean much. I wouldn't be surprised to see both ourselves and the rags get over 90 points this season. They look like they might score over 100 goals.
 
bluemiester said:
Speaker said:
bluemiester said:
That's absolute rubbish, it's not fact at all. Last season most pundits and experts were saying you played the best football in the country. This season there were times when you were booed off by your own fans.

It's not a ridiculous to point out your success without Modric. It wasn't to suggest you were a better team without him, but that you'd already shown you were perfectly capable of getting results without him. You just don't like it as it doesn't support the way you want to view things. I'm not saying Dembele is as good as Modric, but he's still a very good replacement. But the key point is that no matter how you spin it, Arsenal have lost have lost a far more important player.

You only finished a point behind them last season and as you say from the stat I showed you, RVP was worth way more than anyone else in the Premier League. You are both weaker, but Arsenal significantly more so than you. It's plain as day, but for some reason you don't seem keen to acknowledge it. This leads me to believe that you weren't a fan of Redknapp's and thus want to believe that things have improved by sacking him. When in reality things aren't really different.

We are 3 points better off than last season from the corresponding fixtures. That is a fact, not an opinion, a quantifiable fact. To achieve this with the rebuilding, amount of new faces, new system, and mountain of injuries we have had deserves more praise than you are willing to give.

I'm giving the right amount of praise, as I'm comparing with other actual football teams. Arsenal and Cheslea are also both better off an have too made changes. You are trying to make out as if Spurs are alone in bringing in new faces and losing big players, but it's the same for all clubs and even more so for you main rivals, Arsenal.

I've not been critical for the fact Cheslea have closed the gap on you, as it's too be expected given the players they brought in. But at the same time to try and claim any real progress when Arsenal have lost a far more important player than you, is just plain biased. The other team around you last season was Newcastle and they've had an absolute nightmare with injuries. Everton seemed to have closed the gap on you, but didn't lose any major players, unless you think Rodwell counts.

At the end of the day, you can spin it however you like, but there is no way of getting around the fact that very little has changed among the top 3-6 teams that can't very easily be explained by a quick glance at recent transfer activity. To try and deny RVP leaving Arsenal hasn't helped you more than losing your players has effected you, just seems very disingenuous to me.

I think all 3 of yourselves, Arsenal and Chelsea will win more points than last season, as the Prem in general seems very weak. So comparisons of points between this and last season don't really mean much. I wouldn't be surprised to see both ourselves and the rags get over 90 points this season. They look like they might score over 100 goals.

We seem to be going round in circles at this point. Agree to disagree I suppose.

I will admit that it's too early to say at the moment. Time will tell!
 
THFC6061 said:
AVB has just won the December 2012 Premier League Manager of the Month Award.
Wonder how they judge these things?

Dec 2012: Villas Boas = P6 W4 D1 L1 - Mancini = P6 W4 D1 L1
 
greasedupdeafguy said:
strongbowholic said:
THFC6061 said:
AVB has just won the December 2012 Premier League Manager of the Month Award.
Wonder how they judge these things?

Dec 2012: Villas Boas = P6 W4 D1 L1 - Mancini = P6 W4 D1 L1
We lost in the derby lost against an awful Sunderland and drew against Everton.
And I don't think Tottenham players earn the most in league unlike our stars, who are under performing under Mancini
 

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