The Tottenham Thread 12/13

[Crouchinho]

Tonights game at White Hart Lane is part of the ST package and there are discounted tickets for sale. Only 25k have turned up. I would have expected a higher crowd as they have the world's biggest waiting list and Spurs fans on forums and are always claiming they have many more fans than we do.

I find it surprising that there are people on a waiting list for an ST, where prices start at £700, but they cannot be bothered forking out £25 for a game.

Was wondering when you would come back with the anti spurs stuff

Shock horror,anti Spurs comments on a City forum.

If you don't like it don't post. You could always go on one of your 'fan friendly' sites which wouldn't give us the tolerance you get on here if the roles were reversed.

Football is tribal, a lot of us don't like Spurs so get over it.

If you were a mod I'd take it on board, so I don't need you to tell me to stop posting. I can speak my mind if I like. Amongst the reasonable posts from spurs and city fans you get people stereotyping and generalising over some random forum members and talkshite. It's calculated to disrupt the genuine discussion to force us to stop posting.

 

[Manc in London]

1BC is not telling you to stop posting. He's suggesting, like I was in an earlier post, to stop being a mard arse. A reasonable suggestion.

Re your response to my post: it is not just a couple of posters that have a shitty opinion about our club. These views are held by most of GG, CoYs, THTV and SC. There is absolutely no wrong in posters like myself raising this issue on a City forum. The fact that you find it 'offensive' in any kind of way is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

You have yet to point out the anti-Surs comment in my post.<br /><br />-- Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:47 pm --<br /><br />Speaker - I know a few Iralians at work bought tickets, so they must have been on general sale

 

[jimharri]

Was wondering when you would come back with the anti spurs stuff

Shock horror,anti Spurs comments on a City forum.

If you don't like it don't post. You could always go on one of your 'fan friendly' sites which wouldn't give us the tolerance you get on here if the roles were reversed.

Football is tribal, a lot of us don't like Spurs so get over it.

If you were a mod I'd take it on board, so I don't need you to tell me to stop posting. I can speak my mind if I like. Amongst the reasonable posts from spurs and city fans you get people stereotyping and generalising over some random forum members and talkshite. It's calculated to disrupt the genuine discussion to force us to stop posting.

But when a City fan did it, you didn't like it. It's a City forum, for love's sake. We don't like Spurs. If you don't like it, you can always leave.

 

[Crouchinho]

1BC is not telling you to stop posting. He's suggesting, like I was in an earlier post, to stop being a mard arse. A reasonable suggestion.

Re your response to my post: it is not just a couple of posters that have a shitty opinion about our club. These views are held by most of GG, CoYs, THTV and SC. There is absolutely no wrong in posters like myself raising this issue on a City forum. The fact that you find it 'offensive' in any kind of way is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

You have yet to point out the anti-Surs comment in my post.

-- Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:47 pm --

Speaker - I know a few Iralians at work bought tickets, so they must have been on general sale

Nice to see you are all over spurs boards then, surprised you're on so many, more than me. In my opinion no one cares about city, you're not our rivals, arsenal, Chelsea and hammers are. Never heard spurs fans singing about city in a neutral game either. I've heard anti semetic songs the other way though toward spurs and pitch invasions to stop us winning, so maybe it's more the other way round? Who knows, I don't have a stats book like some.

On the official Site it said there were no tickets on general sale, but you wrote up a huge list of stats so I'll take your word for it mate

 

[Crouchinho]

Shock horror,anti Spurs comments on a City forum.

If you don't like it don't post. You could always go on one of your 'fan friendly' sites which wouldn't give us the tolerance you get on here if the roles were reversed.

Football is tribal, a lot of us don't like Spurs so get over it.

If you were a mod I'd take it on board, so I don't need you to tell me to stop posting. I can speak my mind if I like. Amongst the reasonable posts from spurs and city fans you get people stereotyping and generalising over some random forum members and talkshite. It's calculated to disrupt the genuine discussion to force us to stop posting.

But when a City fan did it, you didn't like it. It's a City forum, for love's sake. We don't like Spurs. If you don't like it, you can always leave.

I won't leave because you tell me to. I enjoy posting here. I just said I don't like stereotyping and random state lies.

That's something united fans do. According to them city has 20,000 empty seats, everyone loves oasis, everyone drinks like Ricky fattton and every fan is from stockport. Do I buy into this!? Not really although I'm sure most love oasis

 

[jimharri]

If you were a mod I'd take it on board, so I don't need you to tell me to stop posting. I can speak my mind if I like. Amongst the reasonable posts from spurs and city fans you get people stereotyping and generalising over some random forum members and talkshite. It's calculated to disrupt the genuine discussion to force us to stop posting.

But when a City fan did it, you didn't like it. It's a City forum, for love's sake. We don't like Spurs. If you don't like it, you can always leave.

I won't leave because you tell me to. I enjoy posting here. I just said I don't like stereotyping and random state lies.

That's something united fans do. According to them city has 20,000 empty seats, everyone loves oasis, everyone drinks like Ricky fattton and every fan is from stockport. Do I buy into this!? Not really although I'm sure most love oasis

Please show me where I ''told'' (your word, my quotation marks) you to leave.

 

[DaveTheYid]

Onto the big game on Sunday.

I think we will win 2-1 with Defoe scoring.

 

[GHoddle]

You saw more of Tottenham than me obviously last year, but was Lennon really first team? Redknapp liked to play Bale, Modric, Parker, Sandro and VDV across midfield. Personally I felt this left the team unbalanced and made you weaker.

About Sigurdonson, I did not actually pay much attention to Swansea last year;. I guess if he turns out to be very good and creative it will change a lot.

I know Modric played deeper last year and he was very impressive there. He helped control lots of games. Still think he was upset about not getting his move and did not play his best. Even deep though, he had more vision than Dembele, who creates space by committing defenders. VDV was another creative player, who could unlock defenses. Yes Dempsey will give you as many goals, but not extra flair.

Overall as I said with AVB the team looks better, but that will just bridge the gap of the weaker personal. Adebayor maybe a greedy trouble maker playing for a contract, but when he played well he is better than Defoe. He is faster, stronger, gives an option for the long ball and dangerous from crosses. VDV is better than Dempsey and Modric better than Dembele. Your entire spine has been weakened.

I am a big fan of Sandro and I am impressed with the two at the back as well. You maybe better than last season once the team gel, but here is the problem. Chelsea are going to better than last season. Think fifth is where you will end up.

Yeah Lennon was played whenever he was fit. 'Arry's favorite system was 4-4-1-1 with VDV in the hole, but he would often play 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 with VDV out on the right when Lennon was out. That would mean Parker, Sandro, and Modric in midfield, and I agree that did make us unbalanced mainly because Parker and Sandro shouldn't play in the same team (too similar) and VDV shouldn't play on the wing. But no Lennon was typically the one who played if he was fit.

And still idk if I agree with the rest of your post. VDV became a passenger in many games and I think Sigurdsson's workrate and creativity will benefit us. Modric didn't create many goals but his passing dominance in midfield was excellent. I think Dembele can do as good a job, but in a different style.

And if I'm not mistaken, Adebayor was our leader in goals AND assists last season, so he should provide some final 3rd creativity.

Last point - last season we had a team filled with midgets/relatively small players in our front 6 (Modric, Lennon, Parker, VDV), and we've replaced them with 4 players all OVER 6 feet (Dembele, Dempsey, Sandro, Sigurdsson), so we should be more physically powerful this season and a greater threat on set pieces. We'll be a different team no doubt, but the jury is out on whether we will be better than last season. We've lost some strengths but added new ones.

 

[DaveTheYid]

Onto the big game on Sunday.

I think we will win 2-1 with Defoe scoring.

Am I good or what?

Fantastic 2nd half, Only a point behind City now so title charge is definately on.

 

[jimharri]

Onto the big game on Sunday.

I think we will win 2-1 with Defoe scoring.

Am I good or what?

Fantastic 2nd half, Only a point behind City now so title charge is definately on.

Yeah; brilliant second half. You managed to scrape past a bottom 3 side at home, after falling behind. As you say, ''fantastic''.

''Definitely'' (with a second 'i'), by the way.

 

[supercrystal7]

You saw more of Tottenham than me obviously last year, but was Lennon really first team? Redknapp liked to play Bale, Modric, Parker, Sandro and VDV across midfield. Personally I felt this left the team unbalanced and made you weaker.

About Sigurdonson, I did not actually pay much attention to Swansea last year;. I guess if he turns out to be very good and creative it will change a lot.

I know Modric played deeper last year and he was very impressive there. He helped control lots of games. Still think he was upset about not getting his move and did not play his best. Even deep though, he had more vision than Dembele, who creates space by committing defenders. VDV was another creative player, who could unlock defenses. Yes Dempsey will give you as many goals, but not extra flair.

Overall as I said with AVB the team looks better, but that will just bridge the gap of the weaker personal. Adebayor maybe a greedy trouble maker playing for a contract, but when he played well he is better than Defoe. He is faster, stronger, gives an option for the long ball and dangerous from crosses. VDV is better than Dempsey and Modric better than Dembele. Your entire spine has been weakened.

I am a big fan of Sandro and I am impressed with the two at the back as well. You maybe better than last season once the team gel, but here is the problem. Chelsea are going to better than last season. Think fifth is where you will end up.

Yeah Lennon was played whenever he was fit. 'Arry's favorite system was 4-4-1-1 with VDV in the hole, but he would often play 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 with VDV out on the right when Lennon was out. That would mean Parker, Sandro, and Modric in midfield, and I agree that did make us unbalanced mainly because Parker and Sandro shouldn't play in the same team (too similar) and VDV shouldn't play on the wing. But no Lennon was typically the one who played if he was fit.

And still idk if I agree with the rest of your post. VDV became a passenger in many games and I think Sigurdsson's workrate and creativity will benefit us. Modric didn't create many goals but his passing dominance in midfield was excellent. I think Dembele can do as good a job, but in a different style.

And if I'm not mistaken, Adebayor was our leader in goals AND assists last season, so he should provide some final 3rd creativity.

Last point - last season we had a team filled with midgets/relatively small players in our front 6 (Modric, Lennon, Parker, VDV), and we've replaced them with 4 players all OVER 6 feet (Dembele, Dempsey, Sandro, Sigurdsson), so we should be more physically powerful this season and a greater threat on set pieces. We'll be a different team no doubt, but the jury is out on whether we will be better than last season. We've lost some strengths but added new ones.

Fair points and you did win this year. I think another problem is that Chelsea and Arsenal are better this year. Repeating last year's form in all likelihood will still only get you fifth this year.

 

[GHoddle]

Onto the big game on Sunday.

I think we will win 2-1 with Defoe scoring.

Am I good or what?

Fantastic 2nd half, Only a point behind City now so title charge is definately on.

Yeah; brilliant second half. You managed to scrape past a bottom 3 side at home, after falling behind. As you say, ''fantastic''.

''Definitely'' (with a second 'i'), by the way.

QPR are a lot better than a bottom 3 side this season though. I was impressed with their midfield especially.

Our only good players today were Vertonghen, Caulker and Friedel.

 

[Matty]

The AVB rebuilding is what will put paid to Spurs Champion's League ambitions. He tried to rebuild far too quickly at Chelsea, and screwed it. He now seems to be trying to push things through too quickly at Spurs, and the results again are not coming. Plus I'm not convinced the players he's ended up with (Dempsey, Dembele, Vertonghen, Lloris) were actually the players he wanted, Lloris especially. Moutinho was clearly what he wanted, but Levy wasn't prepared to meet his demands, however he was happy to spend £14m on a goalkeeper AVB seems to want to leave on the bench (and why wouldn't he, Friedel has been in fantastic form).

The top 4 will be, in no particular order, City, United, Chelsea and Arsenal. 5th place is within Spurs reach, especially given how off the pace Liverpool look, but I think they'll be in for a fight with both Newcastle and Everton (the later looking pretty promising so far this season) for it.

 

[GHoddle]

The AVB rebuilding is what will put paid to Spurs Champion's League ambitions. He tried to rebuild far too quickly at Chelsea, and screwed it. He now seems to be trying to push things through too quickly at Spurs, and the results again are not coming. Plus I'm not convinced the players he's ended up with (Dempsey, Dembele, Vertonghen, Lloris) were actually the players he wanted, Lloris especially. Moutinho was clearly what he wanted, but Levy wasn't prepared to meet his demands, however he was happy to spend £14m on a goalkeeper AVB seems to want to leave on the bench (and why wouldn't he, Friedel has been in fantastic form).

The top 4 will be, in no particular order, City, United, Chelsea and Arsenal. 5th place is within Spurs reach, especially given how off the pace Liverpool look, but I think they'll be in for a fight with both Newcastle and Everton (the later looking pretty promising so far this season) for it.

Hmm, quite a lot wrong with this imo. We've lost 1 game so far, away at Newcastle, and won our last 2 league games and are 1 point behind City and Arsenal so how is that not getting the results? We had 2 disappointing home draws, but one of those was even an improvement on the corresponding fixture from last season.

Moutinho didn't come to us because his agent's demands basically stood in the way of the deal till the last minute and then we tried to complete it but couldn't by the deadline. Levy was willing to spend the money. Moutinho has fired his agent as a result and now has the same agent as AVB, so I expect we will be back in for him in January and although I won't be surprised if we fail again for some reason, I think there's a good chance we get it done.

The players you mention are all perfect for AVB's system so I don't know how you conclude that he didn't want them, especially Lloris. Friedel is a pretty good keeper but no where near as good as Lloris imho. He's also 41 and won't last much longer.

I think Arsenal are playing very well right now, but if you compare our teams on paper I don't see how anyone could say that Arsenal are noticeably better than us. I've said I think they probably have the best midfield in the league, but I definitely wouldn't take their forwards or defenders over our's. Their form also typically collapses in Spring, after they exit the CL, the problem in the last couple seasons is that under Redknapp our form has collapsed even more (we were 11th in the 2nd half of the season and had a run of 6 points in 9 games). If AVB can avoid that happening we have a solid chance of competing for top 4 especially if we can get Moutinho and a striker in January.

 

[Matty]

The AVB rebuilding is what will put paid to Spurs Champion's League ambitions. He tried to rebuild far too quickly at Chelsea, and screwed it. He now seems to be trying to push things through too quickly at Spurs, and the results again are not coming. Plus I'm not convinced the players he's ended up with (Dempsey, Dembele, Vertonghen, Lloris) were actually the players he wanted, Lloris especially. Moutinho was clearly what he wanted, but Levy wasn't prepared to meet his demands, however he was happy to spend £14m on a goalkeeper AVB seems to want to leave on the bench (and why wouldn't he, Friedel has been in fantastic form).

The top 4 will be, in no particular order, City, United, Chelsea and Arsenal. 5th place is within Spurs reach, especially given how off the pace Liverpool look, but I think they'll be in for a fight with both Newcastle and Everton (the later looking pretty promising so far this season) for it.

Hmm, quite a lot wrong with this imo. We've lost 1 game so far, away at Newcastle, and won our last 2 league games and are 1 point behind City and Arsenal so how is that not getting the results? We had 2 disappointing home draws, but one of those was even an improvement on the corresponding fixture from last season.

Moutinho didn't come to us because his agent's demands basically stood in the way of the deal till the last minute and then we tried to complete it but couldn't by the deadline. Levy was willing to spend the money. Moutinho has fired his agent as a result and now has the same agent as AVB, so I expect we will be back in for him in January and although I won't be surprised if we fail again for some reason, I think there's a good chance we get it done.

The players you mention are all perfect for AVB's system so I don't know how you conclude that he didn't want them, especially Lloris. Friedel is a pretty good keeper but no where near as good as Lloris imho. He's also 41 and won't last much longer.

I think Arsenal are playing very well right now, but if you compare our teams on paper I don't see how anyone could say that Arsenal are noticeably better than us. I've said I think they probably have the best midfield in the league, but I definitely wouldn't take their forwards or defenders over our's. Their form also typically collapses in Spring, after they exit the CL, the problem in the last couple seasons is that under Redknapp our form has collapsed even more (we were 11th in the 2nd half of the season and had a run of 6 points in 9 games). If AVB can avoid that happening we have a solid chance of competing for top 4 especially if we can get Moutinho and a striker in January.

Spurs have had a really easy start to the season. QPR, Reading, West Brom, Norwich and Newcastle. Newcastle are the only one of those sides with any real quality, and you lost to them. Compare that with City's start, Southampton, QPR, Stoke, Liverpool and Arsenal. 3 tough games out of 5. Home draws with Norwich and West Brom are 4 dropped points, our dropped points (the 3 tough games we've had) are obviously disappointing, but not unexpected, and not "bad results" in the grand scheme of things.

 

[DaveTheYid]

Big game tonight.

Fancy us to to edge it 2-1.

 

[GHoddle]

Spurs have had a really easy start to the season. QPR, Reading, West Brom, Norwich and Newcastle. Newcastle are the only one of those sides with any real quality, and you lost to them. Compare that with City's start, Southampton, QPR, Stoke, Liverpool and Arsenal. 3 tough games out of 5. Home draws with Norwich and West Brom are 4 dropped points, our dropped points (the 3 tough games we've had) are obviously disappointing, but not unexpected, and not "bad results" in the grand scheme of things.

You're saying West Brom is easy and Stoke is difficult, but West Brom finished 4 places above Stoke last season and is above you in the table this season so far. And Newcastle away is a tougher game than Liverpool away now, just look at their comparative home results last season.

Last season, both us and Arsenal got 3 points from those 2 home games, so I see it as 1 point dropped not 4.

 

[hertsblue]

Spurs will be up there or about, challenging for top 4 this year im sure

 

[Matty]

Spurs have had a really easy start to the season. QPR, Reading, West Brom, Norwich and Newcastle. Newcastle are the only one of those sides with any real quality, and you lost to them. Compare that with City's start, Southampton, QPR, Stoke, Liverpool and Arsenal. 3 tough games out of 5. Home draws with Norwich and West Brom are 4 dropped points, our dropped points (the 3 tough games we've had) are obviously disappointing, but not unexpected, and not "bad results" in the grand scheme of things.

You're saying West Brom is easy and Stoke is difficult, but West Brom finished 4 places above Stoke last season and is above you in the table this season so far. And Newcastle away is a tougher game than Liverpool away now, just look at their comparative home results last season.

Last season, both us and Arsenal got 3 points from those 2 home games, so I see it as 1 point dropped not 4.

None of the top 4 (potentially the top 6, I'm not 100% certain) won at Stoke last season. So, yes, I'm saying Stoke are tougher than West Brom. Stoke away is a shit load tougher than West Brom at home! If we look at Newcastle away versus Liverpool away, we regularly (including last season) win at Newcastle, we very rarely win at Liverpool.

 

[Manc in London]

You're saying West Brom is easy and Stoke is difficult, but West Brom finished 4 places above Stoke last season and is above you in the table this season so far. Newcastle away is a tougher game than Liverpool away now, just look at their comparative home results last season.

Last season, both us and Arsenal got 3 points from those 2 home games, so I see it as 1 point dropped not 4.

Aye, if you play as brilliantly against Stoke as you did against West Brom a few weeks ago, you will smash Stoke. Look forward to you coming on here telling us about it after the game.

TBH I think you will do okay this season. If you finish above any one of the two big clubs in London, it will be an over achievement.