The Tottenham Thread 13/14 part 2.

[Anonymous]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Interesting move having a different sponsor for the cups. Lovely lolly for the club, but as always, fans who will bear the brunt should they decide they want to have a shirt (I know it's not compulsory so don't jump on me for it).

I'll be honest that I really have no love for Spurs - still scarred by '81 :) - but I think some of us are being very dismissive of them this season. Sure they need to strengthen in defence which I don't think they have yet and we can argue the toss about a title charge (my opinion is similar to most in that they are a 3 or 4 players off a real challenge) but it is folly to underestimate the side they are building, with or without Bale.

 

[GHoddle]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

So basically beyond your own opinions and having watched paulinho play in a vastly inferior league you have nothing to suggest why these guys are going to push you forward. AVB did nothing with a very good chelsea side, finished a place lower than harry last year, yet his system is gonna be it. They may turn out to be good players but you have absolutely no way of knowing that apart from your own opinion.

Im sure your optimistic as most fans are pre-season but you have no idea how these players are gonna settle in this league much less whether they are gonna push you forward into a title winning side. Your optimism is good but its being brought across as fact rather than opinion.

lol what can I say other than my informed opinion based on having observed these players before? I'm not sure how you would expect me to defend my point any other way. Surely forming an opinion based on watching the players is a better method than going by price though?

If you want something more objective, then I could cite the stats from whoscored.com that ranked Capoue as the 2nd best player in the French league last season behind Ibrahimovic, their stats from the Confederations Cup which ranked Paulinho as one of Brazil's best players (7.53 average rating), or Soldado's 29 goals last season (24 in La Liga). I'm not sure what other evidence I can give to support my opinion, besides having a functional crystal ball and being able to see the future.

I take your point about having watched them and fair enough with regards to your stats, but my point stands if they were that good their would have been CL clubs in for them offering higher wages than you guys can, the fact that their wasnt suggests that other clubs scouts have watched them and passed which either means one of 2 things AVB knows better than alot of other managers out there or they aint that good so it all depends on which way you want look at it really. You take the pro spurs way i take the realistic way. And THFC what exactly should i be worried about is it that the mighty bale pushes you into fifth place AGAIN or that the stellar new signings keep you in fifth place, like i say i admire your optimism but title challengers you aint.

Ok so which other CL clubs were you competing with to sign Navas and Negredo? And since clearly they weren't being chased by many of the top clubs, does that mean that Pellegrini knows something that everyone doesn't?

Btw Franco Baldini, not AVB, is the one who ultimately decides on who our targets are. I think you're totally oversimplifying how the transfer market works. For instance, no one was competing with us to sign Moutinho last summer, we just couldn't conclude the deal. But now he's gone to Monaco and is obviously a talented player.

Also you could maybe count on 2 hands the number of clubs who can pay higher wages and transfer fees than we can. Most of the clubs in Spain and Italy have no money, the ones that do don't need the players we've been signing.<br /><br />-- Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:15 am --<br /><br />

I think spuds are spending the bale money up front in this window, if the clubs they are buying from know they have 90m burning a hole in their pockets the prices go up.
Spurs don't spend the type of money they are in this window without funding it via player sales there net spend is relatively low usually. They can fund all these plus part of the stadium by flogging bale, I think him Rooney and Suarez will make for an interesting deadline day.

We have the money to buy without selling Bale, whether we do or not is yet to be decided. If we do, a significant amount will be reinvested. IF Madrid meet the price we're asking for he'll be sold but I'm not entirely sure that they will.

 

[Matty]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

So basically beyond your own opinions and having watched paulinho play in a vastly inferior league you have nothing to suggest why these guys are going to push you forward. AVB did nothing with a very good chelsea side, finished a place lower than harry last year, yet his system is gonna be it. They may turn out to be good players but you have absolutely no way of knowing that apart from your own opinion.

Im sure your optimistic as most fans are pre-season but you have no idea how these players are gonna settle in this league much less whether they are gonna push you forward into a title winning side. Your optimism is good but its being brought across as fact rather than opinion.

Are you worried yet?

Because you really should be.

No, not really.

I think AVB has bought very well, he's addressed the weaknesses in the squad (well, a great deal of them) and added quality. Paulinho isn't going to be a mug if he's playing for Brazil (although you do have to question why City were willing to spend £30m on Fernandinho when Paulinho was available for "just" £17m, maybe he isn't as impressive as you'd think?) whereas Soldado had a very good goalscoring record at Valencia. I don't know much about Chadli, but the Belgian national side is filled with quality these days, so if he's getting in amongst those players he must have something about him. With Capoue my knowledge is entirely Football Manager related, he's a good player on that! How that translates to real life I have no idea!

Having said all that I still feel Spurs have some gaps in the squad. Even with Soldado I think you're lacking numbers upfront (Soldado, Defoe and Adebayor, plus maybe Kane look weaker than the forward lines of City, Chelsea and United), Essou-Ekotto isn't really good enough, and neither is Rose so left back is a concern too. I think Spurs have definitely taken a step forward fom last year, and if the transfer window was now closed I'd say they were clear favourites for 4th spot (If Arsenal add Suarez that assessment might change), but our aim is the title, and Spurs won't be winning that. Maybe with another year or two of strengthening Spurs will be up there with City, United and Chelsea, but I'm certainly not worried about them for this season. Put it this way, if we finish below Spurs we'll have finished below a fair few other teams as well, and potentially we'll have finished outside the top 4.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I dont know much about the above player,what are his attributes?

Basically Carrick but more physical and stronger defensively imo. He's the type of defensive midfielder that touches and passes the ball more than any player in the team.

For £9 million I would say its very unlikely you got a better player than Carrick

Carrick's fucking shit you rag wum troll ****.

 

[Matty]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Basically Carrick but more physical and stronger defensively imo. He's the type of defensive midfielder that touches and passes the ball more than any player in the team.

For £9 million I would say its very unlikely you got a better player than Carrick

Carrick's fucking shit you rag wum troll ****.

No he isn't.

I don't believe he's anywhere near as good as the English press, or United fans for that matter, claim he is, but he's far from shit, fucking or otherwise.

 

[oldius]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Definitely top four material and I think they will cause the traditional "big teams" a lot of problems this season.
I'm looking forward to watching them, especially now that Teflon has gone.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

For £9 million I would say its very unlikely you got a better player than Carrick

Carrick's fucking shit you rag wum troll ****.

No he isn't.

I don't believe he's anywhere near as good as the English press, or United fans for that matter, claim he is, but he's far from shit, fucking or otherwise.

It was a tongue in cheek comment, Carrick's one of the few rags that come across as a decent human, he doesn't get enough plaudits imo.

Who were you competing with to sign Navas or Negredo?

Atletico Madrid wanted Negredo and they know their strikers.

 

[Matty]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Carrick's fucking shit you rag wum troll ****.

No he isn't.

I don't believe he's anywhere near as good as the English press, or United fans for that matter, claim he is, but he's far from shit, fucking or otherwise.

It was a tongue in cheek comment, Carrick's one of the few rags that come across as a decent human, he doesn't get enough plaudits imo.

Who were you competing with to sign Navas or Negredo?

Atletico Madrid wanted Negredo and they know their strikers.

West Ham too........that doesn't really help our argument does it?!

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

"The manager has said Bale's staying, the chairman has also, so for us as players we just keep our heads down and work hard."

- Michael Dawson.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

So basically beyond your own opinions and having watched paulinho play in a vastly inferior league you have nothing to suggest why these guys are going to push you forward. AVB did nothing with a very good chelsea side, finished a place lower than harry last year, yet his system is gonna be it. They may turn out to be good players but you have absolutely no way of knowing that apart from your own opinion.

Im sure your optimistic as most fans are pre-season but you have no idea how these players are gonna settle in this league much less whether they are gonna push you forward into a title winning side. Your optimism is good but its being brought across as fact rather than opinion.

Are you worried yet?

Because you really should be.

Define serious.