The Tottenham Thread 13/14 part 2.

[SWP's back]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Not my stats, so don't bite my head off please, but nevertheless interesting...

...Spurs very much punching above their weight, while Arsenal have sold-off the family jewels to pay for their new stadium.

Could you do one for the 5 years previous as I think our spend, whether gross or net would have been a lot less that yours.

 

[discopop]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Not my stats, so don't bite my head off please, but nevertheless interesting...

...Spurs very much punching above their weight, while Arsenal have sold-off the family jewels to pay for their new stadium.

So if the above are to be believed Arsenal have spent much less on their squad and out performed you for the last 5 seasons as well as getting a new stadium and you think Spurs are performing well?

 

[moomba]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Conveniently forgotting that the value of the squad wasnt £0 when it started.

Well going back to 1908, which is when Spurs joined the Football League, we get these figures:

Total Amount Spent: £570,746,959

Total Amount Received: £397,578,280

Net Spend: £173,168,679

Total Seasons: 106

Net Spend per Season: £1,633,667

Cost of Current Squad to Assemble: £171,680,000


So overall, Spurs have spent £1,488,679 on players transfers plus the cost of the current squad to assemble during our entire League history.

Nice way to ignore the point that you've posted stats that are misleading and incorrect.

And replaced them with more stats that are irrelevant and pointless.

Well done.

 

[Crouchinho]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Yes, I agree with much of what you say.

I think if Greaves in his prime was available today, you'd be looking at Gareth Bale-like figures for his transfer - say £100m.

You really are a poor, misguided fool.

Any shred of credibility that you had remaining has just been blown away with that last statement.

Jimmy Greaves £100m in today's money?????

You really are making yourself look like a complete cock.

Did you ever see Greaves play? Just curious because I would think most people who saw him live wouldn't dispute THFC's point.

Anyone who I spoke to said he was the best striker they had seen in England. That's from a lot of non spurs fans too. Even the great Bryan clough said he was the greatest. The world cup was a whole other thing which people should read up on.

Are people really complaining about Spurs spending this window? I have no idea why. We had 50m to spend from lewis this summer and raised some through sales

 

[SWP's back]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

You really are a poor, misguided fool.

Any shred of credibility that you had remaining has just been blown away with that last statement.

Jimmy Greaves £100m in today's money?????

You really are making yourself look like a complete cock.

Did you ever see Greaves play? Just curious because I would think most people who saw him live wouldn't dispute THFC's point.

Anyone who I spoke to said he was the best striker they had seen in England. That's from a lot of non spurs fans too. Even the great Bryan clough said he was the greatest. The world cup was a whole other thing which people should read up on.

Are people really complaining about Spurs spending this window? I have no idea why. We had 50m to spend from lewis this summer and raised some through sales

No one is complaining. It's just when it was mentioned the autistic one posted bollocks after bollocks. I am glad you are strengthening. I would love to see Arse out of the top 4.

 

[George Hannah]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

You really are a poor, misguided fool.

Any shred of credibility that you had remaining has just been blown away with that last statement.

Jimmy Greaves £100m in today's money?????

You really are making yourself look like a complete cock.

Did you ever see Greaves play? Just curious because I would think most people who saw him live wouldn't dispute THFC's point.

Anyone who I spoke to said he was the best striker they had seen in England. That's from a lot of non spurs fans too. Even the great Bryan clough said he was the greatest. The world cup was a whole other thing which people should read up on.

Are people really complaining about Spurs spending this window? I have no idea why. We had 50m to spend from lewis this summer and raised some through sales

As I posted earlier in the thread, I regularly watched Greavsie at the Lane in the late sixties. His record of finishing top first division goalscorer for six seasons has never been matched. Great great player - £100m+ in today's market.

 

[moomba]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I'm not complaining about Spurs spending. I do wonder what the difference is between spending Joe Lewis' money and us spending Sheikh Mansours money is. A lot of Spurs fans (not saying you are in that boat) seem to think thats wrong.

 

[stony]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I would love to see Arse out of the top 4.

So would I, but I can think of about 18 other clubs I'd rather see in the top 4 than Spurs.

 

[Matty]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I think the argument many are having with THFC6061 is that he seems to think Spurs are doing things "the right way" by living within their means, whereas City are doing things "the wrong way" by spending our owners wealth.

Lets just say, for a second, that I buy into the premise that Spurs only spend what they can afford, that they buy and sell and don't take any external revenue from their owners, unlike City. THFC6061 seems to wear that as some kind of badge of honour, as if it makes Spurs in some way superior to City. Great, if that's the way he wants to view things then so be it, but I'd like to just make this point. In the Premier League era Spurs have been "living within their means" for 20 years, and it's resulted in them winning, pretty much, fuck all. One of the few sides to spend every one of the Premiership seasons in the Premier League, yet less successful than many other sides. No Premier League Titles, No FA Cup wins, no European success. City, on the other hand, have spent a lot in the last few seasons, way beyond their natural means at this stage. However, in the last 3 seasons we've won the FA Cup and the Premeir League. Perhaps, rather than sitting back and feeling superior based upon financial records, it might be time for Spurs, both fans and owners, to demand a little more spend more than they really should, and actually try and win something. Of course, now your owners have voted for FFP, that's not an avenue that's open to you.......

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Not my stats, so don't bite my head off please, but nevertheless interesting...

...Spurs very much punching above their weight, while Arsenal have sold-off the family jewels to pay for their new stadium.

No basically you buy poorly because you're turning over so many players that you're needing to keep getting rid of them after a season or two is what that tells me.

 

[The Flash]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Did you ever see Greaves play? Just curious because I would think most people who saw him live wouldn't dispute THFC's point.

Anyone who I spoke to said he was the best striker they had seen in England. That's from a lot of non spurs fans too. Even the great Bryan clough said he was the greatest. The world cup was a whole other thing which people should read up on.

Are people really complaining about Spurs spending this window? I have no idea why. We had 50m to spend from lewis this summer and raised some through sales

As I posted earlier in the thread, I regularly watched Greavsie at the Lane in the late sixties. His record of finishing top first division goalscorer for six seasons has never been matched. Great great player - £100m+ in today's market.

But this is my point. You are going off his record alone, not factoring in lifestyle, training etc. If you transplanted Jimmy Greaves of the 60's into a modern Premiership team, he wouldn't get anywhere near his goal scoring record of that time. It's a spurious claim to make regarding how much players from a previous era would be worth today. This one was made by a blinkered Spurs fan who is obsessed with a City forum.

Jimmy Greaves' worth was £99,999. And that's it. No conjecture, no posturing, that was the fee, FFS.

 

[George Hannah]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Anyone who I spoke to said he was the best striker they had seen in England. That's from a lot of non spurs fans too. Even the great Bryan clough said he was the greatest. The world cup was a whole other thing which people should read up on.

Are people really complaining about Spurs spending this window? I have no idea why. We had 50m to spend from lewis this summer and raised some through sales

As I posted earlier in the thread, I regularly watched Greavsie at the Lane in the late sixties. His record of finishing top first division goalscorer for six seasons has never been matched. Great great player - £100m+ in today's market.

But this is my point. You are going off his record alone, not factoring in lifestyle, training etc. If you transplanted Jimmy Greaves of the 60's into a modern Premiership team, he wouldn't get anywhere near his goal scoring record of that time. It's a spurious claim to make regarding how much players from a previous era would be worth today. This one was made by a blinkered Spurs fan who is obsessed with a City forum.

Jimmy Greaves' worth was £99,999. And that's it. No conjecture, no posturing, that was the fee, FFS.

I'm going off what I saw.

 

[The Flash]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

As I posted earlier in the thread, I regularly watched Greavsie at the Lane in the late sixties. His record of finishing top first division goalscorer for six seasons has never been matched. Great great player - £100m+ in today's market.

But this is my point. You are going off his record alone, not factoring in lifestyle, training etc. If you transplanted Jimmy Greaves of the 60's into a modern Premiership team, he wouldn't get anywhere near his goal scoring record of that time. It's a spurious claim to make regarding how much players from a previous era would be worth today. This one was made by a blinkered Spurs fan who is obsessed with a City forum.

Jimmy Greaves' worth was £99,999. And that's it. No conjecture, no posturing, that was the fee, FFS.

I'm going off what I saw.

What on this sweet earth has that got to do with it?

Seriously, what?

 

[George Hannah]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

But this is my point. You are going off his record alone, not factoring in lifestyle, training etc. If you transplanted Jimmy Greaves of the 60's into a modern Premiership team, he wouldn't get anywhere near his goal scoring record of that time. It's a spurious claim to make regarding how much players from a previous era would be worth today. This one was made by a blinkered Spurs fan who is obsessed with a City forum.

Jimmy Greaves' worth was £99,999. And that's it. No conjecture, no posturing, that was the fee, FFS.

I'm going off what I saw.

What on this sweet earth has that got to do with it?

Seriously, what?

Well it's to do with comparing footballers you've actually watched, Having seen Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, etc I'm making a judgement that Greaves was a better player than all of them and consequently, if he was playing now, would command a transfer fee in excess of all of them.

If you're saying that we can't compare players from different eras because the game has changed so much then I'd disagree as far the late 60s and 70's players go. Maradona would be another I'd say would definitely cost a £100m+ now in my opinion.

Earlier than the 60s I think you'd have a point and if you are saying the transfer market has changed and become so inflated it is impossible to compare players on the basis of prices then I'd agree with that too. It is an interesting question about exactly when the game changed so that comparisons across time become invalid.

 

[Matty]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Anyone who I spoke to said he was the best striker they had seen in England. That's from a lot of non spurs fans too. Even the great Bryan clough said he was the greatest. The world cup was a whole other thing which people should read up on.

Are people really complaining about Spurs spending this window? I have no idea why. We had 50m to spend from lewis this summer and raised some through sales

As I posted earlier in the thread, I regularly watched Greavsie at the Lane in the late sixties. His record of finishing top first division goalscorer for six seasons has never been matched. Great great player - £100m+ in today's market.

But this is my point. You are going off his record alone, not factoring in lifestyle, training etc. If you transplanted Jimmy Greaves of the 60's into a modern Premiership team, he wouldn't get anywhere near his goal scoring record of that time. It's a spurious claim to make regarding how much players from a previous era would be worth today. This one was made by a blinkered Spurs fan who is obsessed with a City forum.

Jimmy Greaves' worth was £99,999. And that's it. No conjecture, no posturing, that was the fee, FFS.

You're assuming Greaves wouldn't have adjusted his lifestyle had he been a 2013 footballer, that's not really going to be the case is it. Theres's no way, categorically, to measure how good he would be given modern training and nutritional improvements, but it's fair to say he would still have been a very good footballer indeed. As for being worth £99,999 and that's, it's worth trying to establish what £99,9999 in 1961 is the equivalent of in 2013. My parents house was purchased for £7,000 in 1975, it's now worth approx £100,000, so that's nearly a 1500% increase in 38 years, or 5.56% increase per year on average. If I apply a 5.56% increase per year to Greaves' £99,999 figure, over a 52 year period, you get approx £14m. For reference, inflation is running at 730% for Premiership transfer fees, from when it began to the present, compared to 775 for inflation in general during that period.

 

[The Flash]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

As I posted earlier in the thread, I regularly watched Greavsie at the Lane in the late sixties. His record of finishing top first division goalscorer for six seasons has never been matched. Great great player - £100m+ in today's market.

But this is my point. You are going off his record alone, not factoring in lifestyle, training etc. If you transplanted Jimmy Greaves of the 60's into a modern Premiership team, he wouldn't get anywhere near his goal scoring record of that time. It's a spurious claim to make regarding how much players from a previous era would be worth today. This one was made by a blinkered Spurs fan who is obsessed with a City forum.

Jimmy Greaves' worth was £99,999. And that's it. No conjecture, no posturing, that was the fee, FFS.

You're assuming Greaves wouldn't have adjusted his lifestyle had he been a 2013 footballer, that's not really going to be the case is it. Theres's no way, categorically, to measure how good he would be given modern training and nutritional improvements, but it's fair to say he would still have been a very good footballer indeed. As for being worth £99,999 and that's, it's worth trying to establish what £99,9999 in 1961 is the equivalent of in 2013. My parents house was purchased for £7,000 in 1975, it's now worth approx £100,000, so that's nearly a 1500% increase in 38 years, or 5.56% increase per year on average. If I apply a 5.56% increase per year to Greaves' £99,999 figure, over a 52 year period, you get approx £14m. For reference, inflation is running at 730% for Premiership transfer fees, from when it began to the present, compared to 775 for inflation in general during that period.

I'm assuming that Jimmy Greaves played his football and lived his life then.

As such, it is ridiculous to try and put a value on what he'd be worth now.

I find it laughable that people are comparing him to Lionel Messi. Two players from two different eras.

You say "You're assuming Greaves wouldn't have adjusted his lifestyle", well frankly , yes! Because you have to factor that in. Yet I'm being asked to believe he'd be worth £100m today based purely on his goal-scoring record????????

Okay then, based purely on win percentage in finals reached, Roberto Martinez the most successful manager on planet football.

Do you see how ridiculous that statement is? And yet your argument for Greaves is based on exactly the same premise.

 

[lancs blue]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

But this is my point. You are going off his record alone, not factoring in lifestyle, training etc. If you transplanted Jimmy Greaves of the 60's into a modern Premiership team, he wouldn't get anywhere near his goal scoring record of that time. It's a spurious claim to make regarding how much players from a previous era would be worth today. This one was made by a blinkered Spurs fan who is obsessed with a City forum.

Jimmy Greaves' worth was £99,999. And that's it. No conjecture, no posturing, that was the fee, FFS.

You're assuming Greaves wouldn't have adjusted his lifestyle had he been a 2013 footballer, that's not really going to be the case is it. Theres's no way, categorically, to measure how good he would be given modern training and nutritional improvements, but it's fair to say he would still have been a very good footballer indeed. As for being worth £99,999 and that's, it's worth trying to establish what £99,9999 in 1961 is the equivalent of in 2013. My parents house was purchased for £7,000 in 1975, it's now worth approx £100,000, so that's nearly a 1500% increase in 38 years, or 5.56% increase per year on average. If I apply a 5.56% increase per year to Greaves' £99,999 figure, over a 52 year period, you get approx £14m. For reference, inflation is running at 730% for Premiership transfer fees, from when it began to the present, compared to 775 for inflation in general during that period.

I'm assuming that Jimmy Greaves played his football and lived his life then.

As such, it is ridiculous to try and put a value on what he'd be worth now.

I find it laughable that people are comparing him to Lionel Messi. Two players from two different eras.

You say "You're assuming Greaves wouldn't have adjusted his lifestyle", well frankly , yes! Because you have to factor that in. Yet I'm being asked to believe he'd be worth £100m today based purely on his goal-scoring record????????

Okay then, based purely on win percentage in finals reached, Roberto Martinez the most successful manager on planet football.

Do you see how ridiculous that statement is? And yet your argument for Greaves is based on exactly the same premise.

Great pace, excellent close control and dribbling skills, genuinely two-footed, positionally aware, extremely clinical finisher - how much?

 

[dawlish dave]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Have to join in.
1 At Stamford Bridge I saw Greaves put 3 goals in Citys net 6-3 to Chelsea about 1962.

2 Working in London 1965 stood on the shelf at WHL it was the game when he ran through Uniteds defence from the half way line to score a goal thats still shown to this day.5-1 for Spurs.

3 Not sure of the year 70/71 ? was at Maine Road when he played his first game for WHU,he scored of course.

Not a great all round footballer unlike Bell, Finney,Best but THE best finisher I have seen in over 60 years attending games, today I would say he was a gold standard version of Kevin Phillips.Thanks for the memories Jimmy.

PS He loved putting it in the Scotland net.

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Have to join in.
1 At Stamford Bridge I saw Greaves put 3 goals in Citys net 6-3 to Chelsea about 1962.

2 Working in London 1965 stood on the shelf at WHL it was the game when he ran through Uniteds defence from the half way line to score a goal thats still shown to this day.5-1 for Spurs.

3 Not sure of the year 70/71 ? was at Maine Road when he played his first game for WHU,he scored of course.

Not a great all round footballer unlike Bell, Finney,Best but THE best finisher I have seen in over 60 years attending games, today I would say he was a gold standard version of Kevin Phillips.Thanks for the memories Jimmy.

PS He loved putting it in the Scotland net.

Great post, but in 1962 Greaves was very much a Spurs player.

 

[stony]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Have to join in.
1 At Stamford Bridge I saw Greaves put 3 goals in Citys net 6-3 to Chelsea about 1962.

2 Working in London 1965 stood on the shelf at WHL it was the game when he ran through Uniteds defence from the half way line to score a goal thats still shown to this day.5-1 for Spurs.

3 Not sure of the year 70/71 ? was at Maine Road when he played his first game for WHU,he scored of course.

Not a great all round footballer unlike Bell, Finney,Best but THE best finisher I have seen in over 60 years attending games, today I would say he was a gold standard version of Kevin Phillips.Thanks for the memories Jimmy.

PS He loved putting it in the Scotland net.

Great post, but in 1962 Greaves was very much a Spurs player.

Probably why he was vague with the year

6-3 to Chelsea about 1962.