The Tottenham Thread 13/14 part 2.

[The Flash]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

You're assuming Greaves wouldn't have adjusted his lifestyle had he been a 2013 footballer, that's not really going to be the case is it. Theres's no way, categorically, to measure how good he would be given modern training and nutritional improvements, but it's fair to say he would still have been a very good footballer indeed. As for being worth £99,999 and that's, it's worth trying to establish what £99,9999 in 1961 is the equivalent of in 2013. My parents house was purchased for £7,000 in 1975, it's now worth approx £100,000, so that's nearly a 1500% increase in 38 years, or 5.56% increase per year on average. If I apply a 5.56% increase per year to Greaves' £99,999 figure, over a 52 year period, you get approx £14m. For reference, inflation is running at 730% for Premiership transfer fees, from when it began to the present, compared to 775 for inflation in general during that period.

I'm assuming that Jimmy Greaves played his football and lived his life then.

As such, it is ridiculous to try and put a value on what he'd be worth now.

I find it laughable that people are comparing him to Lionel Messi. Two players from two different eras.

You say "You're assuming Greaves wouldn't have adjusted his lifestyle", well frankly , yes! Because you have to factor that in. Yet I'm being asked to believe he'd be worth £100m today based purely on his goal-scoring record????????

Okay then, based purely on win percentage in finals reached, Roberto Martinez the most successful manager on planet football.

Do you see how ridiculous that statement is? And yet your argument for Greaves is based on exactly the same premise.

Great pace, excellent close control and dribbling skills, genuinely two-footed, positionally aware, extremely clinical finisher - how much?

So Aguero and Silva in one? So about 65m euros.

There, that's a better comparison, going off your description of Mr Greaves, and a more realistic valuation.

 

[Bilboblue]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I'm going off what I saw.

What on this sweet earth has that got to do with it?

Seriously, what?

Well it's to do with comparing footballers you've actually watched, Having seen Messi, Ronaldo, etc I'm making a judgement that Greaves was a better player than all of them and consequently, if he was playing now, would command a transfer fee in excess of all of them.

If you're saying that we can't compare players from different eras because the game has changed so much then I'd disagree as far the late 60s and 70's players go. Maradona would be another I'd say would definitely cost a £100m+ now in my opinion.

Earlier than the 60s I think you'd have a point and if you are saying the transfer market has changed and become so inflated it is impossible to compare players on the basis of prices then I'd agree with that too. It is an interesting question about exactly when the game changed so that comparisons across time become invalid.

I'm guessing you are wumming with that comment because it is completely and utterly ridiculous.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I'm going off what I saw.

What on this sweet earth has that got to do with it?

Seriously, what?

Well it's to do with comparing footballers you've actually watched, Having seen Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, etc I'm making a judgement that Greaves was a better player than all of them and consequently, if he was playing now, would command a transfer fee in excess of all of them.

If you're saying that we can't compare players from different eras because the game has changed so much then I'd disagree as far the late 60s and 70's players go. Maradona would be another I'd say would definitely cost a £100m+ now in my opinion.

Earlier than the 60s I think you'd have a point and if you are saying the transfer market has changed and become so inflated it is impossible to compare players on the basis of prices then I'd agree with that too. It is an interesting question about exactly when the game changed so that comparisons across time become invalid.

Nice job!

 

[NipHolmes]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Good write up George but I completely disagree about Greaves being on Messi + Ronaldo's level. I may have not seen him with my own eyes but the two I mentioned are consistently awesome and have broken record after record. Greaves imo based on records and opinions of elder friends and family of mine all say the same, Greaves, Lineker and Shearer are our best 3 and that Greaves was unlucky with 66' on a personal note and that would have been his defining moment but even still neither of those 3 have any reason what so ever to be regarded on Ronaldo's level let alone Messi's.

If a 27/29yr old Falcao is going for £60m then Greaves imo is 80-120m no problem. I think Shearer would cost the same too.

 

[Manc in London]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I never watched Jimmy Greaves 'live'. I am far too young. However, from the footage I have watched he was undoubtedly a very good footballer. Many better judge of a footballer than me, have talked about him as being a brilliant striker.

How do you judge the value of a player, from 40-50 years ago, in comparison to a current player? No player has ever been sold for £100m. So no player in history can be judged as being worth that much.You would think that any player considered as worth that much would be, at least, the best of his generation. Greaves was playing at the same time as the likes of Eusebio, Pele, Garrincha, Charlton <spit>, Best, Law, Puskas and Di Stefano. Was he really at that level? I have my doubts.

Was Greaves even better than other British forwards such as Dixie Dean, Nat Lofthouse, Jackie Milburn and John Charles?

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Spurs line-up according to squad numbers...

Gomes (1)

Walker (2) - Kaboul (4) - Vertonghen (5) - Rose (3)

Lennon (7) - Parker (6) - Paulinho (8) - Bale (11)

Soldado (9) - Adebayor (10)


...Not too bad actually

 

[Pam]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

FFS. Spuds just get worse and worse. They have voted themselves likely champions on Talk Shite. Up to now, they 33% of the vote and we have 14%.

 

[stony]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

FFS. Spuds just get worse and worse. They have voted themselves likely champions on Talk Shite. Up to now, they 33% of the vote and we have 14%.

Good, let them build themselves up and get giddy and when Arsenal pip them to 4th we can all laugh.

 

[Pam]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

FFS. Spuds just get worse and worse. They have voted themselves likely champions on Talk Shite. Up to now, they 33% of the vote and we have 14%.

Good, let them build themselves up and get giddy and when Arsenal pip them to 4th we can all laugh.

Indeed. They will stay in touch until the New Year and then they will lose half their games from then til May.

 

[City Raider]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

if ever there was a season for a team like spurs to take a bit of a punt this is it

the prem has so many unknowns, so hard to predict

if they keep bale it could be interesting for them, if they sell the accusation will be they only spent money they knew they were going to get back

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

FFS. Spuds just get worse and worse. They have voted themselves likely champions on Talk Shite. Up to now, they 33% of the vote and we have 14%.

Good, let them build themselves up and get giddy and when Arsenal pip them to 4th we can all laugh.

Indeed. They will stay in touch until the New Year and then they will lose half their games from then til May.

Just as a matter of interest, Spurs have amassed more points in the second half of the season than the first in five out of the last seven seasons.

In fact, the 39 points we won in the second half of last season was an all-time club Premier League record.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

FFS. Spuds just get worse and worse. They have voted themselves likely champions on Talk Shite. Up to now, they 33% of the vote and we have 14%.

Good, let them build themselves up and get giddy and when Arsenal pip them to 4th we can all laugh.

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[Castiel]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

It's getting too easy to laugh at Spurs, they just set themselves up for disappointment.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Good, let them build themselves up and get giddy and when Arsenal pip them to 4th we can all laugh.

Indeed. They will stay in touch until the New Year and then they will lose half their games from then til May.

Just as a matter of interest, Spurs have amassed more points in the second half of the season than the first in five out of the last seven seasons.

In fact, the 39 points we won in the second half of last season was an all-time club Premier League record.

oooh great. Did you get a trophy for it?

By all time club record, you mean all time Spurs club record don't you? It's just it's a bit ambiguous and some would read that as thinking no club had ever bettered it.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Good, let them build themselves up and get giddy and when Arsenal pip them to 4th we can all laugh.

Indeed. They will stay in touch until the New Year and then they will lose half their games from then til May.

Just as a matter of interest, Spurs have amassed more points in the second half of the season than the first in five out of the last seven seasons.

In fact, the 39 points we won in the second half of last season was an all-time club Premier League record.

god you're so fucking boring lol.

 

[dawlish dave]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Have to join in.
1 At Stamford Bridge I saw Greaves put 3 goals in Citys net 6-3 to Chelsea about 1962.

2 Working in London 1965 stood on the shelf at WHL it was the game when he ran through Uniteds defence from the half way line to score a goal thats still shown to this day.5-1 for Spurs.

3 Not sure of the year 70/71 ? was at Maine Road when he played his first game for WHU,he scored of course.

Not a great all round footballer unlike Bell, Finney,Best but THE best finisher I have seen in over 60 years attending games, today I would say he was a gold standard version of Kevin Phillips.Thanks for the memories Jimmy.

PS He loved putting it in the Scotland net.

Great post, but in 1962 Greaves was very much a Spurs player.

Been on the City stats site,Sat 19 Nov 1960 Chelsea 6-City 3 Greaves goal No 100 he was just turned 20,sorry for the slip up but I am over 70 hope your memory holds up better.

-- Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:14 pm --

Have to join in.
1 At Stamford Bridge I saw Greaves put 3 goals in Citys net 6-3 to Chelsea about 1962.

2 Working in London 1965 stood on the shelf at WHL it was the game when he ran through Uniteds defence from the half way line to score a goal thats still shown to this day.5-1 for Spurs.

3 Not sure of the year 70/71 ? was at Maine Road when he played his first game for WHU,he scored of course.

Not a great all round footballer unlike Bell, Finney,Best but THE best finisher I have seen in over 60 years attending games, today I would say he was a gold standard version of Kevin Phillips.Thanks for the memories Jimmy.

PS He loved putting it in the Scotland net.

Great post, but in 1962 Greaves was very much a Spurs player.

Been on the City stats site,Sat 19 Nov Chelsea 6-City 3 Greaves goal No 100 he was just turned 20,sorry for the slip up but I am over 70 hope your memory holds up better.

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Indeed. They will stay in touch until the New Year and then they will lose half their games from then til May.

Just as a matter of interest, Spurs have amassed more points in the second half of the season than the first in five out of the last seven seasons.

In fact, the 39 points we won in the second half of last season was an all-time club Premier League record.

god you're so fucking boring lol.

Yes, we should never let facts get in the way of a good rant, should we?

 

[George Hannah]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Well it's to do with comparing footballers you've actually watched. Having seen Messi, Ronaldo, Bale etc I'm making a judgement that Greaves was a better player than all of them and consequently, if he was playing now, would command a transfer fee in excess of all of them.

If you're saying that we can't compare players from different eras because the game has changed so much then I'd disagree as far the late 60s and 70's players go. Maradona would be another I'd say would definitely cost a £100m+ now in my opinion.

Earlier than the 60s I think you'd have a point and if you are saying the transfer market has changed and become so inflated it is impossible to compare players on the basis of prices then I'd agree with that too. It is an interesting question about exactly when the game changed so that comparisons across time become invalid.

I'm guessing you are wumming with that comment because it is completely and utterly ridiculous.

Not wumming, it's just my opinion friend. I can understand others disagreeing with it and that's no big deal, What is interesting and strange to me is that you (together with others on this thread) seem to find the idea of Greaves, and presumably Bell or Best or Law or Maradona or Pele being better players than the current elite as utterly ridiculous. I wonder what you think has changed over the last thirty years or so to account for the modern footballer's incomparable superiority in your eyes?

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

He didn't say Greaves £99k transfer = £100m n today's money.

He said Greaves would be worth that today. Personally, I agree that Greaves (check his record out) doing that today would make him worth at least that, based on the amounts being bandied around for the likes of Bale, Ladyboy Show Pony and Lionel Messi.

I didn't mention the 99k being the equivalent, I just laughed at the ludicrous figure plucked from thin air of £100m.

You say judge him on his record, but if I'm doing that, then you have to judge him on his lifestyle. There's no way Jimmy Greaves would be able to compete in the modern game boozing and smoking and with the 'working' man's diet of the time.

The whole comparison is pointless.

he was such a great player he was dropped from the England team that won the world cup for Hurst

Thought he'd been injured and Ramsey decided to keep a settled side. Not quite dropped is it ?

 

[StrangewaysHereWeCome]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Well it's to do with comparing footballers you've actually watched. Having seen Messi, Ronaldo, Bale etc I'm making a judgement that Greaves was a better player than all of them and consequently, if he was playing now, would command a transfer fee in excess of all of them.

If you're saying that we can't compare players from different eras because the game has changed so much then I'd disagree as far the late 60s and 70's players go. Maradona would be another I'd say would definitely cost a £100m+ now in my opinion.

Earlier than the 60s I think you'd have a point and if you are saying the transfer market has changed and become so inflated it is impossible to compare players on the basis of prices then I'd agree with that too. It is an interesting question about exactly when the game changed so that comparisons across time become invalid.

I'm guessing you are wumming with that comment because it is completely and utterly ridiculous.

Not wumming, it's just my opinion friend. I can understand others disagreeing with it and that's no big deal, What is interesting and strange to me is that you (together with others on this thread) seem to find the idea of Greaves, and presumably Bell or Best or Law or Maradona or Pele being better players than the current elite as utterly ridiculous. I wonder what you think has changed over the last thirty years or so to account for the modern footballer's incomparable superiority in your eyes?

Meedja innit?