The Tottenham Thread 13/14 part 2.

[GHoddle]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I dont know much about the above player,what are his attributes?

Basically Carrick but more physical and stronger defensively imo. He's the type of defensive midfielder that touches and passes the ball more than any player in the team.

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I dont know much about the above player,what are his attributes?

First choice defensive midfielder for France who can also play as a central defender.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I dont know much about the above player,what are his attributes?

Basically Carrick but more physical and stronger defensively imo. He's the type of defensive midfielder that touches and passes the ball more than any player in the team.

For £9 million I would say its very unlikely you got a better player than Carrick

 

[GHoddle]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Would he start for us or Chelsea? They have strengthen the depth in their squad, but in terms of first XI, there's not much between this season and last. With the exception of Soldado.

He's first choice for the Brazilian national team, of course he would start for Chelsea. Their central midfield isn't particularly strong, and Ramires is behind Paulinho in the pecking order for Brazil. For City idk, I get the argument that Fernandinho doesn't start because he's only played in Ukraine and I think that is a valid argument, I think he's top class. Whether Paulinho is better idk but I rate him very highly and we will see this season.

I would imagine that all 4 signings will start for us this weekend. Too soon for Sandro, so Capoue will probably play in midfield behind Dembele and Paulinho, imo Chadli is more suited to the 4-3-3 than Lennon and I think he will be a shrewd signing, and Soldado of course will be our first choice striker.

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I dont know much about the above player,what are his attributes?

Basically Carrick but more physical and stronger defensively imo. He's the type of defensive midfielder that touches and passes the ball more than any player in the team.

For £9 million I would say its very unlikely you got a better player than Carrick

I really wouldn't be too sure about that, if I was you.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Thanks,competition for Sandro and a replacement for Huddlestone and or Parker then?

AVB is a very good squad builder it appears.

 

[GHoddle]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I dont know much about the above player,what are his attributes?

Basically Carrick but more physical and stronger defensively imo. He's the type of defensive midfielder that touches and passes the ball more than any player in the team.

For £9 million I would say its very unlikely you got a better player than Carrick

I'm guessing you're saying that because you haven't seen him play then? Idk why I would judge based on the price tag, he's a player I've seen enough of to believe that he is quality. Better or worse than Carrick idk. Besides, we bought Carrick himself for 3.5 million.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Basically Carrick but more physical and stronger defensively imo. He's the type of defensive midfielder that touches and passes the ball more than any player in the team.

For £9 million I would say its very unlikely you got a better player than Carrick

I'm guessing you're saying that because you haven't seen him play then? Idk why I would judge based on the price tag, he's a player I've seen enough of to believe that he is quality. Better or worse than Carrick idk. Besides, we bought Carrick himself for 3.5 million.

That is very true but he was playing in Division 1 at the time. Also in fairness playing for spurs made him a much better player as well. No I have not seen him play so it would be largely an assumption on my part but Carrick is a very very good player and judging by the teams after him before you threw your hat in the ring he wasn't exactly the toast of world football but with the way you and THFC are talking about him I thought lots of big clubs would be falling over themselves to get him<br /><br />-- 15 Aug 2013, 08:55 --<br /><br />

Basically Carrick but more physical and stronger defensively imo. He's the type of defensive midfielder that touches and passes the ball more than any player in the team.

For £9 million I would say its very unlikely you got a better player than Carrick

I really wouldn't be too sure about that, if I was you.

I dont really care what you think in all honesty

 

[mancboy]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Would he start for us or Chelsea? They have strengthen the depth in their squad, but in terms of first XI, there's not much between this season and last. With the exception of Soldado.

He's first choice for the Brazilian national team, of course he would start for Chelsea. Their central midfield isn't particularly strong, and Ramires is behind Paulinho in the pecking order for Brazil. For City idk, I get the argument that Fernandinho doesn't start because he's only played in Ukraine and I think that is a valid argument, I think he's top class. Whether Paulinho is better idk but I rate him very highly and we will see this season.

I would imagine that all 4 signings will start for us this weekend. Too soon for Sandro, so Capoue will probably play in midfield behind Dembele and Paulinho, imo Chadli is more suited to the 4-3-3 than Lennon and I think he will be a shrewd signing, and Soldado of course will be our first choice striker.

The question is WHY do you rate paulinho very highly, how much of him have you actually seen, if you are an avid watcher of the brazillian league then fair enough but most people seem to be rating him hugely highly based on seeing him in a few games at the confed cup where he was part of a bang average brazil team (yes I know they won it). he hasnt played in a top league in europe yet most people are making him out to be the second coming, im sure he will turn out to be a very good player but the question has to be asked of him and capoue if they are THAT good why are they available for so little and why is no one else in for them, both chelsea, united and arsenal need a good defensive midfielder are you suggesting that no one else knew about this guy but AVB knows better than everyone else and has stolen a march to get this guy im sorry but i dont buy it, he is a good manager but these are not top class signings they are good signings, the whole world knew about soldados release clause and Madrid and Barcelona both needed a new striker along with a few other clubs and they passed over on it but apparently for you guys he's gonna be a world beater. Like i said you have signed good players but thats what they are good players, THFC would have everyone beleive that these guys are gonna make you title challengers whereas realistically they should sustain the level that you are at rather than push you forward

 

[GHoddle]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

For £9 million I would say its very unlikely you got a better player than Carrick

I'm guessing you're saying that because you haven't seen him play then? Idk why I would judge based on the price tag, he's a player I've seen enough of to believe that he is quality. Better or worse than Carrick idk. Besides, we bought Carrick himself for 3.5 million.

That is very true but he was playing in Division 1 at the time. Also in fairness playing for spurs made him a much better player as well. No I have not seen him play so it would be largely an assumption on my part but Carrick is a very very good player and judging by the teams after him before you threw your hat in the ring he wasn't exactly the toast of world football but with the way you and THFC are talking about him I thought lots of big clubs would be falling over themselves to get him

The same thing applies to the signings of Paulinho and Soldado this summer. I don't think the fact that we didn't have any public competition to sign them is something to look too much into. Who were you competing with to sign Navas or Negredo? I don't remember any other top class clubs being after them either but it doesn't make them poor signings for you. Same applies to Vertonghen, Dembele, and Lloris from last summer but they turned out to be pretty good.<br /><br />-- Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:16 am --<br /><br />

Would he start for us or Chelsea? They have strengthen the depth in their squad, but in terms of first XI, there's not much between this season and last. With the exception of Soldado.

He's first choice for the Brazilian national team, of course he would start for Chelsea. Their central midfield isn't particularly strong, and Ramires is behind Paulinho in the pecking order for Brazil. For City idk, I get the argument that Fernandinho doesn't start because he's only played in Ukraine and I think that is a valid argument, I think he's top class. Whether Paulinho is better idk but I rate him very highly and we will see this season.

I would imagine that all 4 signings will start for us this weekend. Too soon for Sandro, so Capoue will probably play in midfield behind Dembele and Paulinho, imo Chadli is more suited to the 4-3-3 than Lennon and I think he will be a shrewd signing, and Soldado of course will be our first choice striker.

The question is WHY do you rate paulinho very highly, how much of him have you actually seen, if you are an avid watcher of the brazillian league then fair enough but most people seem to be rating him hugely highly based on seeing him in a few games at the confed cup where he was part of a bang average brazil team (yes I know they won it). he hasnt played in a top league in europe yet most people are making him out to be the second coming, im sure he will turn out to be a very good player but the question has to be asked of him and capoue if they are THAT good why are they available for so little and why is no one else in for them, both chelsea, united and arsenal need a good defensive midfielder are you suggesting that no one else knew about this guy but AVB knows better than everyone else and has stolen a march to get this guy im sorry but i dont buy it, he is a good manager but these are not top class signings they are good signings, the whole world knew about soldados release clause and Madrid and Barcelona both needed a new striker along with a few other clubs and they passed over on it but apparently for you guys he's gonna be a world beater. Like i said you have signed good players but thats what they are good players, THFC would have everyone beleive that these guys are gonna make you title challengers whereas realistically they should sustain the level that you are at rather than push you forward

Yes I've watched Paulinho play for Corinthians. I also know how the new signings fit into the system AVB is implementing for next year and I am certain that they are not going to be just holding us at the same level. Paulinho will be a starter, and Capoue is good enough to challenge Sandro and Dembele for their spots in the team. Chadli is the only one I'm unsure of, haven't seen a great deal of him playing yet.

However we've replaced Huddlestone and Parker with Paulinho and Capoue, that is a huge upgrade even if those players aren't as good as I think they are.

 

[bleed.blue]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

He's first choice for the Brazilian national team, of course he would start for Chelsea. Their central midfield isn't particularly strong, and Ramires is behind Paulinho in the pecking order for Brazil.

Ramires does not get a look in in the brazil NT for non footballing reasons. He had a fallout with the management after he did not travel to a brazil football camp because of "injury" and then started a game for chelsea 4 days later.

 

[mancboy]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

So basically beyond your own opinions and having watched paulinho play in a vastly inferior league you have nothing to suggest why these guys are going to push you forward. AVB did nothing with a very good chelsea side, finished a place lower than harry last year, yet his system is gonna be it. They may turn out to be good players but you have absolutely no way of knowing that apart from your own opinion.

Im sure your optimistic as most fans are pre-season but you have no idea how these players are gonna settle in this league much less whether they are gonna push you forward into a title winning side. Your optimism is good but its being brought across as fact rather than opinion.

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

So basically beyond your own opinions and having watched paulinho play in a vastly inferior league you have nothing to suggest why these guys are going to push you forward. AVB did nothing with a very good chelsea side, finished a place lower than harry last year, yet his system is gonna be it. They may turn out to be good players but you have absolutely no way of knowing that apart from your own opinion.

Im sure your optimistic as most fans are pre-season but you have no idea how these players are gonna settle in this league much less whether they are gonna push you forward into a title winning side. Your optimism is good but its being brought across as fact rather than opinion.

Are you worried yet?

Because you really should be.

 

[GHoddle]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

So basically beyond your own opinions and having watched paulinho play in a vastly inferior league you have nothing to suggest why these guys are going to push you forward. AVB did nothing with a very good chelsea side, finished a place lower than harry last year, yet his system is gonna be it. They may turn out to be good players but you have absolutely no way of knowing that apart from your own opinion.

Im sure your optimistic as most fans are pre-season but you have no idea how these players are gonna settle in this league much less whether they are gonna push you forward into a title winning side. Your optimism is good but its being brought across as fact rather than opinion.

lol what can I say other than my informed opinion based on having observed these players before? I'm not sure how you would expect me to defend my point any other way. Surely forming an opinion based on watching the players is a better method than going by price though?

If you want something more objective, then I could cite the stats from whoscored.com that ranked Capoue as the 2nd best player in the French league last season behind Ibrahimovic, their stats from the Confederations Cup which ranked Paulinho as one of Brazil's best players (7.53 average rating), or Soldado's 29 goals last season (24 in La Liga). I'm not sure what other evidence I can give to support my opinion, besides having a functional crystal ball and being able to see the future.

 

[MCFC BOB]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

You're not good enough to win the title. Now we know what it takes to win a title I can tell you that Spurs don't have it.

They've got one fit CB for a start.

 

[ManCityJordan]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

If Spurs get Lamela, Willian, Eriksson and keep Bale, then i'll be very worried about them. If not then I don't see them being any better than last season.

Not saying they won't finish above Arsenal, but no where near City, United and Chelsea.

 

[mancboy]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

So basically beyond your own opinions and having watched paulinho play in a vastly inferior league you have nothing to suggest why these guys are going to push you forward. AVB did nothing with a very good chelsea side, finished a place lower than harry last year, yet his system is gonna be it. They may turn out to be good players but you have absolutely no way of knowing that apart from your own opinion.

Im sure your optimistic as most fans are pre-season but you have no idea how these players are gonna settle in this league much less whether they are gonna push you forward into a title winning side. Your optimism is good but its being brought across as fact rather than opinion.

lol what can I say other than my informed opinion based on having observed these players before? I'm not sure how you would expect me to defend my point any other way. Surely forming an opinion based on watching the players is a better method than going by price though?

If you want something more objective, then I could cite the stats from whoscored.com that ranked Capoue as the 2nd best player in the French league last season behind Ibrahimovic, their stats from the Confederations Cup which ranked Paulinho as one of Brazil's best players (7.53 average rating), or Soldado's 29 goals last season (24 in La Liga). I'm not sure what other evidence I can give to support my opinion, besides having a functional crystal ball and being able to see the future.

I take your point about having watched them and fair enough with regards to your stats, but my point stands if they were that good their would have been CL clubs in for them offering higher wages than you guys can, the fact that their wasnt suggests that other clubs scouts have watched them and passed which either means one of 2 things AVB knows better than alot of other managers out there or they aint that good so it all depends on which way you want look at it really. You take the pro spurs way i take the realistic way. And THFC what exactly should i be worried about is it that the mighty bale pushes you into fifth place AGAIN or that the stellar new signings keep you in fifth place, like i say i admire your optimism but title challengers you aint.

 

[DavidWhitesBoots]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I think spuds are spending the bale money up front in this window, if the clubs they are buying from know they have 90m burning a hole in their pockets the prices go up.
Spurs don't spend the type of money they are in this window without funding it via player sales there net spend is relatively low usually. They can fund all these plus part of the stadium by flogging bale, I think him Rooney and Suarez will make for an interesting deadline day.

 

[waspish]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

I think spuds are spending the bale money up front in this window, if the clubs they are buying from know they have 90m burning a hole in their pockets the prices go up.
Spurs don't spend the type of money they are in this window without funding it via player sales there net spend is relatively low usually. They can fund all these plus part of the stadium by flogging bale, I think him Rooney and Suarez will make for an interesting deadline day.

Totally agree with you for me he was sold weeks ago all this speculation is just bullshit to put the persona out there spurs are not selling

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

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