GHoddle said:cleavers said:Do you reckon he would have gone if you'd lost ? A defeat to Fulham given their recent form would have been tough to get over. No matter now as you won, what about a bad result at Sunderland ?GHoddle said:Well we were pretty much piss poor tonight again despite winning. Two long range hit and pray shots saved us.
My impression was that if he had lost that game he would have lost his job. He's given himself some breathing room now though.
Crouchinho said:GHoddle said:cleavers said:Do you reckon he would have gone if you'd lost ? A defeat to Fulham given their recent form would have been tough to get over. No matter now as you won, what about a bad result at Sunderland ?
My impression was that if he had lost that game he would have lost his job. He's given himself some breathing room now though.
I had that feeling too, especially around the 70 minute mark I thought he was a gonner.
I can't believe how naff we have played yet 3 points off Everton and Liverpool who have been excellent
GHoddle said:1.) Eriksen doesn't have the pace of a typical winger (Lennon, Bale, Walcott, etc) but he's not slow. He's much quicker than Sigurdsson who frequently plays there anyway.
2.) No I don't expect Sigurdsson to play well in a counterattacking team but there's no denying that he hasn't looked as good for us as he did for Swansea. I would probably sell him tbh.
3.) You are using Lampard and Mikel as examples of good passers of the ball from deep. I just disagree entirely. We'll leave it at that.
4.) I didn't say that Lewandowski can't hold the ball up, I said he is a completely player than Drogba or Benteke.
5.) Disagree, Chiriches has done excellently since his arrival. Vertonghen is a top class CB as is Kaboul imo. The only one of our CB's I don't rate is Dawson. Walker is now getting back to his best imo, and Rose was doing well before his injury, and imo Lloris is the best keeper in the league. So yes I do think we have a very good defense.
The high line is part of our attack, not our defense. Defending deep is far easier than defending high up the pitch, it is ridiculous to say otherwise. That's why pretty much every team that wants to hold on to a result will drop deep and get more players behind the ball.
In any case I don't think this argument will go anywhere. I think we have the players to play on the counterattack, you don't. I remember us having a similar lengthy argument in the summer regarding whether Arsenal were a better team than Schalke and Milan - I would imagine that your opinion is probably different now. So perhaps time will tell in this case as well, for or against one of us.
Yes from last season and Arsenal had yet to sign Ozil and Milan had yet to let KPB go. Arsenal have more than just carried on their form from last season. Carzola is several levels below Ozil and his presence does not have the same impact. Schalke have a joke of a manager, but a strong squad. A few of the Arsenal youngsters have also kicked on as players can do at that age. For all the weaknesses in Schalke, Milan and United, the managers deserve a large part of the blame.GHoddle said:^^Arsenal are just continuing their form from the end of last season. For most of their games Ozil has come in for Cazorla who is also a brilliant player. Even without Ozil they're still a far better team than Milan or Schalke imo.
Iirc, it was June or July that we were talking about this and in the context of Arsenal having to play one of them in the CL playoff games.
GHoddle said:Thankfully I was wrong. Still think it was an odd lineup but Capoue was good as a CB, and Naughton played surprisingly well.
HUGE improvement in our attack today. Holtby excellent I thought, and Walker best player on the pitch. Watch out City, we're only 2 points and, erm, +27 goal difference from you!
Crouchinho said:Great win but should have scored 4 or 5 goals. Another indication why Defoe rarely starts today
-- Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:57 pm --
GHoddle said:Thankfully I was wrong. Still think it was an odd lineup but Capoue was good as a CB, and Naughton played surprisingly well.
HUGE improvement in our attack today. Holtby excellent I thought, and Walker best player on the pitch. Watch out City, we're only 2 points and, erm, +27 goal difference from you!
Agree about Holtby, fantastic display, I think he's finally showing what he can do. Walker for me has been our best player this season, he struggled last season but really putting in some great performances this time around
Crouchinho said:Great win but should have scored 4 or 5 goals. Another indication why Defoe rarely starts today
-- Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:57 pm --
You think Soldado would of done better?
Sorry but i feel that if you give Defoe a run of games he will start scoring soon.
I mean he didn't score today but he did cause problems which Soldado does not do.
Defoe is a far better player than Soldado.LFC-Jay said:Crouchinho said:Great win but should have scored 4 or 5 goals. Another indication why Defoe rarely starts today
-- Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:57 pm --
You think Soldado would of done better?
Sorry but i feel that if you give Defoe a run of games he will start scoring soon.
I mean he didn't score today but he did cause problems which Soldado does not do.
jimharri said:Defoe is a far better player than Soldado.LFC-Jay said:Crouchinho said:Great win but should have scored 4 or 5 goals. Another indication why Defoe rarely starts today
-- Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:57 pm --
You think Soldado would of done better?
Sorry but i feel that if you give Defoe a run of games he will start scoring soon.
I mean he didn't score today but he did cause problems which Soldado does not do.
GHoddle said:Crouchinho said:Great win but should have scored 4 or 5 goals. Another indication why Defoe rarely starts today
-- Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:57 pm --
GHoddle said:Thankfully I was wrong. Still think it was an odd lineup but Capoue was good as a CB, and Naughton played surprisingly well.
HUGE improvement in our attack today. Holtby excellent I thought, and Walker best player on the pitch. Watch out City, we're only 2 points and, erm, +27 goal difference from you!
Agree about Holtby, fantastic display, I think he's finally showing what he can do. Walker for me has been our best player this season, he struggled last season but really putting in some great performances this time around
Agree, certainly up there as one of our best performers. Won't stop some people calling him "brainless" though.
GHoddle said:jimharri said:Defoe is a far better player than Soldado.
He's really not.
jimharri said:Defoe is a far better player than Soldado.LFC-Jay said:Crouchinho said:Great win but should have scored 4 or 5 goals. Another indication why Defoe rarely starts today
-- Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:57 pm --
You think Soldado would of done better?
Sorry but i feel that if you give Defoe a run of games he will start scoring soon.
I mean he didn't score today but he did cause problems which Soldado does not do.
He would because City have a team with lots of creativity where as Spurs dont.Crouchinho said:jimharri said:Defoe is a far better player than Soldado.
Disagree mate, why do you say that though? Defoe has had chance after chance in a Spurs shirt. He was always behind Berbs and Keane and even with Adebayor and Saha at one point. His finishing is always the same, blast it as hard as you can with no composure. If he could finish as well as his movement he'd had 25-30 goals a season but that will never happen.
Defoe hasn't scored in the league since April and only has 26 league goals in 4 seasons. He goes through patches of brilliance then goes way off the boil, very frustrating player. Very good as an impact player but I wouldn't trust him long term
Soldado has had to feed off scraps in a Spurs shirt, if you can even call it scraps. We haven't been playing to his strengths at all. He was unfortunate not to play in his last two games where we have been more direct (probaby due to AVB being under the cosh)
I'm sure Soldado playing for City would have double the amount of goals he has at Spurs
He would because City have a team with lots of creativity where as Spurs dont.Crouchinho said:jimharri said:Defoe is a far better player than Soldado.
Disagree mate, why do you say that though? Defoe has had chance after chance in a Spurs shirt. He was always behind Berbs and Keane and even with Adebayor and Saha at one point. His finishing is always the same, blast it as hard as you can with no composure. If he could finish as well as his movement he'd had 25-30 goals a season but that will never happen.
Defoe hasn't scored in the league since April and only has 26 league goals in 4 seasons. He goes through patches of brilliance then goes way off the boil, very frustrating player. Very good as an impact player but I wouldn't trust him long term
Soldado has had to feed off scraps in a Spurs shirt, if you can even call it scraps. We haven't been playing to his strengths at all. He was unfortunate not to play in his last two games where we have been more direct (probaby due to AVB being under the cosh)
I'm sure Soldado playing for City would have double the amount of goals he has at Spurs