The Tottenham Thread 13/14 part 3.

[GHoddle]

We aren't creating many chances lol.

According to THFC you are creating more chances than any other prem team.

Well I think to be fair he is defining chances as shots at goal, but that doesn't indicate the quality of the chances.

We really aren't creating many good chances at all which is mostly because the players we have currently find it difficult to express themselves in the system we use. But at the same time that system has also led to us having a very good defensive record. The attacking players will have to learn how to perform to their abilities with less space and time on the ball than they are used to. If that happens our attack will improve but at the moment it is very tedious.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

He scored 34 goals and 6 assists in 43 starts last season. We just play very differently than Valencia do. When our players start supplying him with chances he will score goals. That's why we bought him.

Btw congrats on making it through tonight, I enjoyed watching the interplay between your attacking players.

You seem reasonable, unlike most of the spurs fans on this thread, would you rather Soldado or Negredo?

Well I don't know yet because I don't believe we've seen Soldado's best. We were linked to both in the summer, I was excited by getting either player because I had seen them both play in La Liga. Negredo undoubtedly would have come in and done better for us immediately, because he has the physical strength to get more involved in the game in this league and to hold the ball up more effectively than Soldado can, but at the same time we do have an entirely new front 5 basically and I think that when these players start playing together regularly they will create more clear chances for Soldado that he will score.

To be honest, I think his goal against Villa is the first time I can remember where he had a clear chance to score (ie just the goalkeeper between himself and the net). That definitely needs to improve.

Good avoidance of answering the question, bit of a cop out. For me the style of football you are playing, Negredo would have been much better signing, as he would offer more when isolated, as Soldado appears to be so far this season.

Mind you if a Spurs fan gives an opinion, they'll be another along soon after to disagree, ever since phone ins have been in existence, you have been very schizophrenic set of fans, cant seem to agree on anything regarding your own club.

 

[THFC6061]

I've got this vision of AVB waving pie charts at Pellegrini when he's walking off at full time after another mauling,crying "Please you must see these Manuel"

Didn't AVB's Spurs beat Manchester City 3-1 the last time the two clubs met?

Or did I simply imagine it?

Maybe, but that was Mancini's team, not this one.

You should have made the distinction that referenced Gaylord's specific reference to Pellegrini. But you didn't. As usual.

I'm done with you Mr Paul Yarden, with your shit stats and winding people up on this forum.

You grey, bearded sad twat.

But your pal, Gaylord du Bois, referred to "another mauling" when quite patently there's never been one.

So who's winding who up, I wonder?

 

[squirtyflower]

Sunday 28th August 2011
Never a mauling Gaylord

 

[stony]

We aren't creating many chances lol.

According to THFC you are creating more chances than any other prem team.

Well I think to be fair he is defining chances as shots at goal, but that doesn't indicate the quality of the chances.

We really aren't creating many good chances at all which is mostly because the players we have currently find it difficult to express themselves in the system we use. But at the same time that system has also led to us having a very good defensive record. The attacking players will have to learn how to perform to their abilities with less space and time on the ball than they are used to. If that happens our attack will improve but at the moment it is very tedious.

The system you're playing bears more than a passing resemblance to how Mancini set us up when he first came here.
He got pelters from the media for being a typical defensive Italian, and from Spurs fans on all their forums for being a boring defence minded coach. The ridicule from Spurs quarters, who at the time were being lauded as the best attacking team in the Prem, was quite vociferous.
That all changed of course at the start of the 11/12 season when we comprehensively dismantled you at the lane.

The difference in the two teams is that we had the luxury of players like Silva, Toure and Aguero who can change a game in an instant. I don't think you have the same quality in your attacking line up, and since Bale left, you have no one who can change the game with a moment of individual brilliance.

 

[The Flash]

Didn't AVB's Spurs beat Manchester City 3-1 the last time the two clubs met?

Or did I simply imagine it?

Maybe, but that was Mancini's team, not this one.

You should have made the distinction that referenced Gaylord's specific reference to Pellegrini. But you didn't. As usual.

I'm done with you Mr Paul Yarden, with your shit stats and winding people up on this forum.

You grey, bearded sad twat.

But your pal, Gaylord du Bois, referred to "another mauling" when quite patently there's never been one.

So who's winding who up, I wonder?

You fucking retarded shitbag....

http://youtu.be/71W7JZd11i4

 

[GHoddle]

Good avoidance of answering the question, bit of a cop out. For me the style of football you are playing, Negredo would have been much better signing, as he would offer more when isolated, as Soldado appears to be so far this season.

Mind you if a Spurs fan gives an opinion, they'll be another along soon after to disagree, ever since phone ins have been in existence, you have been very schizophrenic set of fans, cant seem to agree on anything regarding your own club.

Pretty sure that's exactly what I said.

It's not a competition in any case lol, I said I think Negredo would be an excellent signing for anyone, and I think Soldado will prove to be as well. I agree that Negredo has made a better start but it's only 10 games in and we don't have a team that's settled and been playing together for years like you do.

I still think Soldado will be an excellent signing for us.

 

[City Raider]

I've got this vision of AVB waving pie charts at Pellegrini when he's walking off at full time after another mauling,crying "Please you must see these Manuel"

Didn't Bale's Spurs beat Manchester City 3-1 the last time the two clubs met?

Or did I simply imagine it?

Edited

 

[GHoddle]

The system you're playing bears more than a passing resemblance to how Mancini set us up when he first came here.
He got pelters from the media for being a typical defensive Italian, and from Spurs fans on all their forums for being a boring defence minded coach. The ridicule from Spurs quarters, who at the time were being lauded as the best attacking team in the Prem, was quite vociferous.
That all changed of course at the start of the 11/12 season when we comprehensively dismantled you at the lane.

The difference in the two teams is that we had the luxury of players like Silva, Toure and Aguero who can change a game in an instant. I don't think you have the same quality in your attacking line up, and since Bale left, you have no one who can change the game with a moment of individual brilliance.

I've thought about that comparison as well, in some ways it does seem apt. Imo we've been more focused on creating a solid defense and employing an effective high line than we have been in creating good attacking play. Hopefully that will click at some point like it did for you at the beginning of the 11/12 season.

I think we do have players who can be that good for us, especially Eriksen and Lamela but both are still very young and new to the league.

 

[stony]

The system you're playing bears more than a passing resemblance to how Mancini set us up when he first came here.
He got pelters from the media for being a typical defensive Italian, and from Spurs fans on all their forums for being a boring defence minded coach. The ridicule from Spurs quarters, who at the time were being lauded as the best attacking team in the Prem, was quite vociferous.
That all changed of course at the start of the 11/12 season when we comprehensively dismantled you at the lane.

The difference in the two teams is that we had the luxury of players like Silva, Toure and Aguero who can change a game in an instant. I don't think you have the same quality in your attacking line up, and since Bale left, you have no one who can change the game with a moment of individual brilliance.

I've thought about that comparison as well, in some ways it does seem apt. Imo we've been more focused on creating a solid defense and employing an effective high line than we have been in creating good attacking play. Hopefully that will click at some point like it did for you at the beginning of the 11/12 season.

I think we do have players who can be that good for us, especially Eriksen and Lamela but both are still very young and new to the league.

It's certainly too early to write them off yet. When I see you struggling to break teams down with a slow measured build up, it reminds me of City under Mancini everytime.
I suppose the big question is will the fans give him enough time. Considering the contempt you held us in for the same style of play, and considering that over the last few years you've been used to fast attacking football, how soon before the boos start ringing out ?

 

[mancitymick]

Spurs goal of the month comp.
Was it:
1 Penalty A
2 Penalty B
3 Penalty C
4 Penalty D

 

[moomba]

Considering Spurs create more goal scoring chances than any other Prem team, how many chances has Soldado missed this season ?

Surely if you're creating these chances, then it's your strikers who are at fault for not putting them away.

That's THFC's stats btw not mine.

We aren't creating many chances lol.

No, not my stats.

Theirs...

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/toreffektivitaet/wettbewerb_GB1.html

Andros Townsend hit and hopes into row Z don't really qualify as creating chances in my book. So you can subtract 30-40 from those stats straight away.

 

[THFC6061]

There might be run-outs today for Danny Rose, Nacer Chadli and Etienne Capoue for Spurs XI (reserves), who take-on Colchester United in a friendly at Hotspur Way, Enfield at 12:00.

All three players are coming back from injuries.

 

[mancityvstoke]

We've always loved Spurs

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxO8IJ9D8BA[/youtube]

 

[City Raider]

Spurs goal of the month comp.
Was it:
1 Penalty A
2 Penalty B
3 Penalty C
4 Penalty D

pmsl

 

[THFC6061]

Pat impressed with defence

The team laid down a defensive marker in the Premier League on Sunday – now they can do the same in Europe.

Sunday’s goalless draw at Everton made it seven clean sheets in our first 10 league matches – the first time we’ve achieved that feat.

If we follow up with another shut-out against FC Sheriff in the Europa League on Thursday night, it will be six on the trot in Europe this term.

That will match our run of six-successive clean sheets from our successful UEFA Cup campaign in 1971-72, the best in our European history.

Bill Nicholson’s team kept out IBK Keflavik (H), Nantes (H and A), Rapid Bucharest (H and A) and U T Arad (A) on the way to beating Wolves in the two-legged final in 1972.

Pat Jennings was in goal throughout that campaign. “We were strong defensively and it’s important if you want to progress in Europe,” said the legendary goalkeeper.

“Things are going well defensively at the moment. The good thing is if you are keeping clean sheets, whenever you score in a game, you have a great chance of winning.”

Pat played 36 times for us in Europe between 1964-77. He was in goal for our two UEFA Cup Finals of 1972 and 1974, plus a run to the semi-finals in 1972-73, when we lost out to Liverpool on goal difference.

It could be a historic night against the Moldovan champions - Jermain Defoe needs one goal to become our all-time top goalscorer in Europe, he's currently level with Martin Chivers on 22.

 

[Sky Blue]

We've always loved Spurs

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxO8IJ9D8BA[/youtube]

Hides ;)

 

[blueparrot]

Pat impressed with defence

The team laid down a defensive marker in the Premier League on Sunday – now they can do the same in Europe.

Sunday’s goalless draw at Everton made it seven clean sheets in our first 10 league matches – the first time we’ve achieved that feat.

If we follow up with another shut-out against FC Sheriff in the Europa League on Thursday night, it will be six on the trot in Europe this term.

That will match our run of six-successive clean sheets from our successful UEFA Cup campaign in 1971-72, the best in our European history.

Bill Nicholson’s team kept out IBK Keflavik (H), Nantes (H and A), Rapid Bucharest (H and A) and U T Arad (A) on the way to beating Wolves in the two-legged final in 1972.

Pat Jennings was in goal throughout that campaign. “We were strong defensively and it’s important if you want to progress in Europe,” said the legendary goalkeeper.

“Things are going well defensively at the moment. The good thing is if you are keeping clean sheets, whenever you score in a game, you have a great chance of winning.”

Pat played 36 times for us in Europe between 1964-77. He was in goal for our two UEFA Cup Finals of 1972 and 1974, plus a run to the semi-finals in 1972-73, when we lost out to Liverpool on goal difference.

It could be a historic night against the Moldovan champions - Jermain Defoe needs one goal to become our all-time top goalscorer in Europe, he's currently level with Martin Chivers on 22.

Is it just me that can't read more than 3 lines of that before thinking life's too short and giving up.

 

[supercity88]

Do you Spuds fans not think Defoe should be given a run out in the League based on his goal scoring in Europe. The opposition may be weaker but a striker scoring is better than one that isn't and Defoe might address the issue of not scoring enough. I agree a solid defence is a good starting point, but the Rags proved last season that goals win games!

 

[THFC6061]

Do you Spuds fans not think Defoe should be given a run out in the League based on his goal scoring in Europe. The opposition may be weaker but a striker scoring is better than one that isn't and Defoe might address the issue of not scoring enough. I agree a solid defence is a good starting point, but the Rags proved last season that goals win games!

Defoe has actually played in 7 of Tottenham's 10 Premier League matches this season (started v West Ham and used sub in 6 other games).

He's yet to find the back of the net in the 163 Premier League minutes he's played so far this season.