The Tottenham Thread (Merged)

[Anonymous]

united have spent more than that surely.

 

[bluemoondays]

united have spent more than that surely.

Net spend, purchases minus sales

They are skewed hugely by the £80m Ronaldo sale, if you took that out they'd be 3rd highest spenders behind Chelsea and us. Wouldn't be accurate but that one sale equalled buying in 3 world class players or up to 8-12 "great prospects".

They really hit it lucky with Ronaldo but he wasn't "cheap", he cost them circa £12m in 2003/4 season. If you discount Anelka we didn't pay that much for an established player until the sheikh took over, let alone pay £12m for a "prospect".

 

[Anonymous]

united have spent more than that surely.

Net spend, purchases minus sales

They are skewed hugely by the £80m Ronaldo sale, if you took that out they'd be 3rd highest spenders behind Chelsea and us. Wouldn't be accurate but that one sale equalled buying in 3 world class players or up to 8-12 "great prospects".

They really hit it lucky with Ronaldo but he wasn't "cheap", he cost them circa £12m in 2003/4 season. If you discount Anelka we didn't pay that much for an established player until the sheikh took over, let alone pay £12m for a "prospect".

ahh i see now.

 

[Crouchinho]

Fans always seem obsessed with transfer fees.

While the likes of Arsenal haven't spent much they had double the wage bill for City and Spurs for 10 years.

While Everton don't spend much their wage bill is incredibly high still.

United were blowing everyone out the window with wages too until Roman came along

 

[MSP]

Suarez is definitely not normal, he should be banned for life.

 

[Speaker]

Well, again, I think it's pretty embarrassing that they can only attain that while being propped up by said Russian oligarch. Highly embarrassing in fact.

Although I doubt I'll find many City fans in agreement with me there seeing as you have had to spend more of other people’s money than anyone else in the history of the game just to be a competitive club.

Spending since Premier League inception to 2010;

Chelsea= £366m (3 PL, 3 CC, 5 FA Cup, 3 Charity Shields)

(City is second with just over £300m but its disproportional data considering the length of time they've been spending.)

Liverpool = £201m (1 CL, 3 FA Cups, 3 CC)

Tottenham = £176m (2 CC)

Manchester United = £139m (12 PL, 4 FA Cup, 4 CC, 9 Charity Shields, 2 CL)

Arsenal = £32m (3 PL, 5 FA Cup, 1 CC, 4 Charity Shields)


Spot the odd man out. The holier than though attitude and bitterness for clubs that actually use their resources well is what makes most of you a bunch of pricks. Sure, you're spending and wage plan is lower than a lot of us. And even taking out United, why has Arsenal outperformed you by such a massive margin while spending a fraction of what you have? I'd love to hear the excuse because that IS fucking embarrassing for anyone who wants to walk around spouting nonsense like that. For a club with the 4th highest net spend in the country (at least since the PL inception) you're pretty much living in a glass house.

I could swear that those figures are wrong, i've actually seen City top with Chelsea second, and UTD have spent more than us, unless you're doing it on net spend? And anyway when it comes to Arscum transfer fees do not paint the whole picture, their wage bill is about £20-30 million pounds a year more than ours. How it is that much more when i would even argue that we have more "high profile" players than they do is perplexing.

Going back to a previous comment of yours where you say that at least Torres is "ours", and aren't we angry that we don't own Ade. Of course not, what do you think Spurs fans feel about that? We're all going to go picket Levy's office screaming "Damn you Daniel, taking a striker that has scored twice as many goals as Torres this season with more assists and you didn't pay a penny for him! And we are only contributing half of his wages, which is probably half of Torres's wages. I've got half a mind to boycott all Tottenham games until Levy personally drives down to the Etihad and hands over a cheque for £50 million". In fact, i'm fucking ecstatic that we don't own Ade, i think that it is a sensational bit of business by Levy. In addition, i'm not entirely sure if we should sign him, he misses a lot of chances, but he is better than what we've got so loaning him for a season has done wonders.

On the Liverpool game, i'm slightly disappointed. Bale missed a great chance and Skrtel and Suarez should have seen red. But, when i saw that 'Arry wouldn't make the game, and we had no Kaboul, Lennon, VDV, or Sandro, i said before the game that i would accept a draw. A decent result, job done, but i do think that it puts the final nail in the coffin of any semblance of a title bid.

 

[Castiel]

I could swear that those figures are wrong, i've actually seen City top with Chelsea second, and UTD have spent more than us, unless you're doing it on net spend? And anyway when it comes to Arscum transfer fees do not paint the whole picture, their wage bill is about £20-30 million pounds a year more than ours. How it is that much more when i would even argue that we have more "high profile" players than they do is perplexing.

It is net spend, and as mentioned the Ronaldo and Torres transfers fuck with the numbers a bit. Without them it'd probably be City, Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal. I imagine with the modern figures Liverpool would go back to third with their large spending over the last few years.

Arsenal's wage bill factored into total spending is not disproportionally higher to warrant the ridiculous success they've had over Spurs. Their structure is different. They pay youngsters more than most, and they pay their stars less. £20-£30m more on wages per annum (taking your word) is nothing against £144m of spending. Certainly not to justify why they've done infinitely better than you.

This is only relevant because Spurs like to bring up the "spending" argument all the time, like your players are all academy products and play for free. But its not so nice when your most hated rivals have sort of pissed all over you on that account. Finances is a huge part of the modern game, but efficient use of said resources is infinitely more important. When it comes to that point, nobody can begrudge Arsenal plaudits because they've outperformed us all and ONLY they have bragging rights in that regard.

Edit to add: The irony is, Arsenal fans don't often bring it up! Not in my experience anyway. So they've outclassed the Spuds as well. Now excuse me while I go take a shower for bigging them up.

 

[Speaker]

I could swear that those figures are wrong, i've actually seen City top with Chelsea second, and UTD have spent more than us, unless you're doing it on net spend? And anyway when it comes to Arscum transfer fees do not paint the whole picture, their wage bill is about £20-30 million pounds a year more than ours. How it is that much more when i would even argue that we have more "high profile" players than they do is perplexing.

It is net spend, and as mentioned the Ronaldo and Torres transfers fuck with the numbers a bit. Without them it'd probably be City, Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal. I imagine with the modern figures Liverpool would go back to third with their large spending over the last few years.

Arsenal's wage bill factored into total spending is not disproportionally higher to warrant the ridiculous success they've had over Spurs. Their structure is different. They pay youngsters more than most, and they pay their stars less. £20-£30m more on wages per annum (taking your word) is nothing against £144m of spending. Certainly not to justify why they've done infinitely better than you.

This is only relevant because Spurs like to bring up the "spending" argument all the time, like your players are all academy products and play for free. But its not so nice when your most hated rivals have sort of pissed all over you on that account. Finances is a huge part of the modern game, but efficient use of said resources is infinitely more important. When it comes to that point, nobody can begrudge Arsenal plaudits because they've outperformed us all and ONLY they have bragging rights in that regard.

But if you take wages into account then that additional 20-30 ( I say 20-30 as i saw it in the times earlier this season but cannot remember the exact amount) million a season utterly dwarfs any transfer outlay. It is spending on the first team after all.

I personally never bring up the spending argument, what is the point? It's not like consternation changes anything about it, it is what it is. The only thing that really comes in to play is current results, where ours are much better than Arsenal's at the moment, ergo spurs have bragging rights. We play much better football than they do, and our manager doesn't whinge and make excuses every single time a result goes against us. Add in the delusional arsenal fans who still insist that "if everyone is fit then arsenal has the best 11 in the premier league" makes spurs a much more attractive team to the neutral.

Plus when Dein was in the FA Arsenal managed to get treatment from the refs and disciplinary boards that rivalled UTD's.

Anyway, back on track, i don't begrudge any team that comes into money as i would love it if a nice oil baron/sheikh came in and spent £1billion on spurs transfers.

 

[Castiel]

Add in the delusional arsenal fans who still insist that "if everyone is fit then arsenal has the best 11 in the premier league" makes spurs a much more attractive team to the neutral.

No more to say on the numbers, they speak for themselves I feel. But while we're on delusional.

Personally, I find the attraction overwhelming.

You are no better than anyone. The fact that you think you (I use "you" collectively) are, and still pull the same bullshit, is what pisses people off about Spurs. The media being in on it just amplifies it.

 

[Speaker]

Add in the delusional arsenal fans who still insist that "if everyone is fit then arsenal has the best 11 in the premier league" makes spurs a much more attractive team to the neutral.

No more to say on the numbers, they speak for themselves I feel. But while we're on delusional.

Personally, I find the attraction overwhelming.

You are no better than anyone. The fact that you think you (I use "you" collectively) are, and still pull the same bullshit, is what pisses people off about Spurs. The media being in on it just amplifies it.

And what Spurs fan constructed that comparison for sky? Just because the editing crew at a tv station knocked something together does not mean that all spurs fans (who had nothing to do with its creation) are delusional. Point out one quote of mine anywhere on this board that could be labelled as delusional.

Mind you, I've seen you post on theshedend and your unwarranted hatred for all things Spurs makes it utterly unsurprising that you would come on here to attack spurs without provocation. Perhaps i could take what you say about Spurs more seriously if you weren't so clearly biased. Nice one skipping the Torres question though, pretty stand-up of you to pick and choose what you respond to.

 

[Manc in London]

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This is only relevant because Spurs like to bring up the "spending" argument all the time, like your players are all academy products and play for free. But its not so nice when your most hated rivals have sort of pissed all over you on that account. Finances is a huge part of the modern game, but efficient use of said resources is infinitely more important. When it comes to that point, nobody can begrudge Arsenal plaudits because they've outperformed us all and ONLY they have bragging rights in that regard.

I do have a chuckle to myself when Spurs fans get into a frenzy about how much Chelsea and City spend, and how their ‘business model’ is morally superior.

If Spurs fans think being charged very high prices, meaning that many locals are unable from going to games at WHL, is ‘moral’, then that is up to them. They must be so proud.

The focus on finance by Spurs fans is simply a reflection of the fact that they are always looking for an excuse why they are not the best team. If we were in the same financial position as Spurs, then we would be hearing excuses about foreign ownership being ‘immoral’ an unfair advantage or that we are less deserving of our status as we slower than they are at replacing our carbon footprint.

Spurs = Excuse FC.

Virtually every London club who has played in the PL has been more productive than Spurs in producing quality, young footballers. I guess they have an excuse why that is not the case. I bet they have an excuse why that is the case. They will probably blame the public transport infrastructure in the vicinity of Spurs Lodge.

 

[MSP]

Yep, I guess they'll like their moral superiority when they sell Modric and Bale and go back to 7-8 poisitions as before they hit this good generation.

 

[Manc in London]

Mind you, I've seen you post on theshedend and your unwarranted hatred for all things Spurs makes it utterly unsurprising that you would come on here to attack spurs without provocation. Perhaps i could take what you say about Spurs more seriously if you weren't so clearly biased. Nice one skipping the Torres question though, pretty stand-up of you to pick and choose what you respond to.

In my opinion Castiel is a good poster. He makes contributions on other threads too.

Maybe like most City fans he comes across as anti-Spurs becauise he is sick and tired of those Spurs fans who infest the internet, spreading their bile about how City and Chelsea fans are worthless plastics that represent the evil face of, not just football, but the universe.

 

[Speaker]

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This is only relevant because Spurs like to bring up the "spending" argument all the time, like your players are all academy products and play for free. But its not so nice when your most hated rivals have sort of pissed all over you on that account. Finances is a huge part of the modern game, but efficient use of said resources is infinitely more important. When it comes to that point, nobody can begrudge Arsenal plaudits because they've outperformed us all and ONLY they have bragging rights in that regard.

I do have a chuckle to myself when Spurs fans get into a frenzy about how much Chelsea and City spend, and how their ‘business model’ is morally superior.

If Spurs fans think being charged very high prices, meaning that many locals are unable from going to games at WHL, is ‘moral’, then that is up to them. They must be so proud.

The focus on finance by Spurs fans is simply a reflection of the fact that they are always looking for an excuse why they are not the best team. If we were in the same financial position as Spurs, then we would be hearing excuses about foreign ownership being ‘immoral’ an unfair advantage or that we are less deserving of our status as we slower than they are at replacing our carbon footprint.

Spurs = Excuse FC.

Virtually every London club who has played in the PL has been more productive than Spurs in producing quality, young footballers. I guess they have an excuse why that is not the case. I bet they have an excuse why that is the case. They will probably blame the public transport infrastructure in the vicinity of Spurs Lodge.

Or the fact that we have to compete with four other clubs for any quality young players. I would actually say that it is due to our scouting network being weak, we just don't seem to find many quality youngsters abroad, as opposed to Arsenal. SO yeah it's our fault really, just a bad scouting network.

As for home grown players from the surrounding area, West Ham aside there has only been three english players that have come out of arsenal, chelsea, or spurs, and that was cole, terry, and king. So one a piece on the home front, and i'm pretty sure that all three of those players actually played for the same youth team at dulwich hamlets if i remember correctly. Apart from those three i'm not sure if there is another regular starter that has come from the surrounding area at any of the "big london 3".

 

[samharris]

Suarez is definitely not normal, he should be banned for life.

He is one player I wouldnt feel owt for if he broke a leg or sommat..

Despicable twat..

 

[Speaker]

Mind you, I've seen you post on theshedend and your unwarranted hatred for all things Spurs makes it utterly unsurprising that you would come on here to attack spurs without provocation. Perhaps i could take what you say about Spurs more seriously if you weren't so clearly biased. Nice one skipping the Torres question though, pretty stand-up of you to pick and choose what you respond to.

In my opinion Castiel is a good poster. He makes contributions on other threads too.

Maybe like most City fans he comes across as anti-Spurs becauise he is sick and tired of those Spurs fans who infest the internet, spreading their bile about how City and Chelsea fans are worthless plastics that represent the evil face of, not just football, but the universe.

I'm a member on spurscommunity and there isn't really an antiy city or chelsea sentiment on there at all. We all hate arsenal, but that's to be expected. I think most of this negative association comes from GG, which i have never been on, but there was a thread on spurscommunity denouncing it as an absolute shit hole of a website.

It's all well and good disliking a team if that's what you want to do, i personally only dislike one team, Arsenal, and that's for obvious reasons. However, if you can't post subjectively about something, then maybe you shouldn't post at all. For example, I pretty much stayed completely away from any discussion on Spurs vs City on this board, and really tried to limit mentioning it as i knew i would be biased. Castiel has posted on another board that he hates Spurs more than any other team on the planet, so i don't really understand what he expects to gain from involving himself in a discussion about them.

 

[spurspinter1]

I'm a member on spurscommunity and there isn't really an antiy city or chelsea sentiment on there at all. We all hate arsenal, but that's to be expected. I think most of this negative association comes from GG, which i have never been on, but there was a thread on spurscommunity denouncing it as an absolute shit hole of a website.

You folks are just jealous, spending your days circle jerking to eye tee kays essentially summing up the headlines of the day before :P

 

[The Future's Blue]

Point out one quote of mine anywhere on this board that could be labelled as delusional.

We play much better football than they do, and our manager doesn't whinge and make excuses every single time a result goes against us. Add in the delusional arsenal fans who still insist that "if everyone is fit then arsenal has the best 11 in the premier league" makes spurs a much more attractive team to the neutral.

You did ask. Keep it going though, I'm waiting for you 2 to get out the handbag's.

 

[Castiel]

And what Spurs fan constructed that comparison for sky? Just because the editing crew at a tv station knocked something together does not mean that all spurs fans (who had nothing to do with its creation) are delusional. Point out one quote of mine anywhere on this board that could be labelled as delusional.

Mind you, I've seen you post on theshedend and your unwarranted hatred for all things Spurs makes it utterly unsurprising that you would come on here to attack spurs without provocation. Perhaps i could take what you say about Spurs more seriously if you weren't so clearly biased. Nice one skipping the Torres question though, pretty stand-up of you to pick and choose what you respond to.

What do you want to know about my take on Torres? I had a whole conversation with Andouble earlier in this very thread about how much of an unadulterated disaster he has been. Do you think I'm avoiding the question? Fernando Torres is the single biggest mistake Chelsea FC has ever made and he will never succeed here in my opinion. Part his fault, part ours. He may be able to regain his form, but certainly not here and probably not in this league.

I'm happy for any of my posts there to be quoted here. Some City fans from HERE read and contribute to that forum. I'm not playing some two faced act, or I wouldn't be using the same username. Some of my opinions the City fans wouldn't like have been posted on both sides, like the fact that I think United will win the league for a variety of reasons and that I disagreed with the defence of Balotelli's stamp. I just wasn't a prick about voicing those opinions so they keep me around.

I really don't like Spurs and thats not a secret, I don't think any Chelsea fans do anyway. But I've pointed out why. The moral superiority complex really grinds me. And many Spurs fans are guilty of buying into it. I dislike Barcelona for the same reason "me es que un club".

I also specifically said that I use the term "you" collectively, not personally and that the "media being in on it only amplifies it" - but I'm accused of reading selectively.

 

[Speaker]

Point out one quote of mine anywhere on this board that could be labelled as delusional.

We play much better football than they do, and our manager doesn't whinge and make excuses every single time a result goes against us. Add in the delusional arsenal fans who still insist that "if everyone is fit then arsenal has the best 11 in the premier league" makes spurs a much more attractive team to the neutral.

You did ask. Keep it going though, I'm waiting for you 2 to get out the handbag's.

And 'Arry is well renowned for his excuses is he? Funny, he doesn't seem to be in the same league as Dalglish and Wenger.<br /><br />-- Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:20 pm --<br /><br />

I'm a member on spurscommunity and there isn't really an antiy city or chelsea sentiment on there at all. We all hate arsenal, but that's to be expected. I think most of this negative association comes from GG, which i have never been on, but there was a thread on spurscommunity denouncing it as an absolute shit hole of a website.

You folks are just jealous, spending your days circle jerking to eye tee kays essentially summing up the headlines of the day before :P

I DESPISE the itk's haha. I can't remember him now, but that utter bell end who's behind the scenes info was "yellow". I could have punched my screen!