The Tottenham Thread (Merged)

[Manc in London]

IMO the problem with your defence next season will be a lack of big game experience and leadership.

 

[Slicker than Sommeil]

Been away from the internet for a while, how long has glory glory been down for? Looks like I may have to take a temporary residence here for a bit once again :)

Amazingly enough there's some positive news regarding our transfers at the minute, with Jan and Remy actually looking pretty viable. With Caulker and Naughton returning we'll actually have a defense that actually has a future, rather than having to swap between King and Gallas each other week.

I think that Vertonghen (admittedly I've only seen him play two or three times) and Kaboul could make a solid CB partnership with a future. Caulker as third choice CB and Naughton covering Walker and Benny. We haven't had a defensive squad like that in ages, this season for example, not having proper LB cover has cost us in Rose ballsing it all up against Villa.

The re-assuring thing is we seem to be getting on with stuff now, although we'll still probably be panicking on the last day of the transfer window bidding for gary taylor fletcher and Kevin Doyle....Although Doyle isn't actually that bad of a shout imo...

You need a striker, desperately. With Adebayor only on loan, and Saha's contract up (so might not be extended, should fuck him off to pay Ade's wages) to partner Defoe, who I still rate highly.

I can see Modric leaving this summer. Van der Vaart will stay, not to sure about Bale though. Can see Barca going big to get him, or even Mourinho, maybe involving a swap deal for di Maria.

The reason you cocked up getting Champs League this season is Redknapp, skimping your squad in January, and I the England possibility rattled him. I wouldn't be surprised if he left and you got in Capello, would be a brilliant move for you lot I reckon.

 

[spurspinter1]

IMO the problem with your defence next season will be a lack of big game experience and leadership.

It seems like either one of Gallas or King will be let go, unfortunately it looks like King's legs have ran out, and as hard as it is to admit it, he cost us in a few important games. His challenge on Ballo for the 3 - 2 is not what we are used to from such a calm and composed defender. Gallas is still quality when he comes in but he'll often play a few games and then miss 3 months. Neither can be relied on. Hopefully King will get a testimonial against a club of massive stature to get the proper send off he deserves.

Dawson is a strange one as well, two injury prone seasons and questionable form when he wasn't injured. He's getting on, will struggle to get his pace back, and is expensive in the 25 man squad as it's centre back or nothing for him.

As I've said though, a trio of Jan, Kaboul and Caulker with Gallas and Daws for back up sounds good to me CB wise. I assume Bassong, King and Kumalo will be off.

Whatever happens CB wise, they'll need either Sandro, Parker or Livermore on their best in front of them otherwise it just won't work. Parker ran out of steam, Sandro was injured for most but awesome for the last 4-5 games and Livermore was having his breakthough season, a player who has surpassed the expectations of many, imo more deserving of an England call up than Henderson...

 

[Ray78]

IMO the problem with your defence next season will be a lack of big game experience and leadership.

It seems like either one of Gallas or King will be let go, unfortunately it looks like King's legs have ran out, and as hard as it is to admit it, he cost us in a few important games. His challenge on Ballo for the 3 - 2 is not what we are used to from such a calm and composed defender. Gallas is still quality when he comes in but he'll often play a few games and then miss 3 months. Neither can be relied on. Hopefully King will get a testimonial against a club of massive stature to get the proper send off he deserves.

Dawson is a strange one as well, two injury prone seasons and questionable form when he wasn't injured. He's getting on, will struggle to get his pace back, and is expensive in the 25 man squad as it's centre back or nothing for him.

As I've said though, a trio of Jan, Kaboul and Caulker with Gallas and Daws for back up sounds good to me CB wise. I assume Bassong, King and Kumalo will be off.

Whatever happens CB wise, they'll need either Sandro, Parker or Livermore on their best in front of them otherwise it just won't work. Parker ran out of steam, Sandro was injured for most but awesome for the last 4-5 games and Livermore was having his breakthough season, a player who has surpassed the expectations of many, imo more deserving of an England call up than Henderson...

Another problem I see at Spurs is the Goalkeeping situation. Friedal has one more season at the top level.

 

[spurspinter1]

You need a striker, desperately. With Adebayor only on loan, and Saha's contract up (so might not be extended, should fuck him off to pay Ade's wages) to partner Defoe, who I still rate highly.

I can see Modric leaving this summer. Van der Vaart will stay, not to sure about Bale though. Can see Barca going big to get him, or even Mourinho, maybe involving a swap deal for di Maria.

The reason you cocked up getting Champs League this season is Redknapp, skimping your squad in January, and I the England possibility rattled him. I wouldn't be surprised if he left and you got in Capello, would be a brilliant move for you lot I reckon.

Strikers are what we need for sure, hopefully Ade can stay as he's been so important to us. Defoe's a strange one, too good to sell, not good enough to start, will understand if he wants to leave as his game doesn't really suit the formation which gets the best out of our best players.

I assume Modric will be off as well, hopefully to someone overseas for a shit load of money. Bale will most likely stay imo, VDV for sure.

Redknapp can be blamed for parts but at the end of the day, achieving fourth place above teams like Chelsea and Liverpool who spent a shitload is still pretty good, losing champs league in the way we did is a shame but it doesn't seem to have affected our targets, with Vertonghen and Remy still sounding viable. I'd much rather win the Europa league than be an also ran in the CL anyway to be honest<br /><br />-- Wed May 23, 2012 7:51 pm --<br /><br />

Another problem I see at Spurs is the Goalkeeping situation. Friedal has one more season at the top level.

Another good point, it's going to be a busy summer if we want to sort out our squad long term. It'd be nice to find our own long term keeper as opposed to relying on short term fixes but I can't fault Brad, been quality and a calm influence on our defence, which was a nice change.

 

[Slicker than Sommeil]

You need a striker, desperately. With Adebayor only on loan, and Saha's contract up (so might not be extended, should fuck him off to pay Ade's wages) to partner Defoe, who I still rate highly.

I can see Modric leaving this summer. Van der Vaart will stay, not to sure about Bale though. Can see Barca going big to get him, or even Mourinho, maybe involving a swap deal for di Maria.

The reason you cocked up getting Champs League this season is Redknapp, skimping your squad in January, and I the England possibility rattled him. I wouldn't be surprised if he left and you got in Capello, would be a brilliant move for you lot I reckon.

Strikers are what we need for sure, hopefully Ade can stay as he's been so important to us. Defoe's a strange one, too good to sell, not good enough to start, will understand if he wants to leave as his game doesn't really suit the formation which gets the best out of our best players.

I assume Modric will be off as well, hopefully to someone overseas for a shit load of money. Bale will most likely stay imo, VDV for sure.

Redknapp can be blamed for parts but at the end of the day, achieving fourth place above teams like Chelsea and Liverpool who spent a shitload is still pretty good, losing champs league in the way we did is a shame but it doesn't seem to have affected our targets, with Vertonghen and Remy still sounding viable. I'd much rather win the Europa league than be an also ran in the CL anyway to be honest

This. Look at Athletico and Athletic Bilbao this season, brilliant football and very very decent opponents. They've made it a reputable competition again and like you said, less pressure on your squad and valuable experience. By building a decent squad it could improve your league performances and individuals.

 

[Bilboblue]

Been away from the internet for a while, how long has glory glory been down for? Looks like I may have to take a temporary residence here for a bit once again :)

Amazingly enough there's some positive news regarding our transfers at the minute, with Jan and Remy actually looking pretty viable. With Caulker and Naughton returning we'll actually have a defense that actually has a future, rather than having to swap between King and Gallas each other week.

I think that Vertonghen (admittedly I've only seen him play two or three times) and Kaboul could make a solid CB partnership with a future. Caulker as third choice CB and Naughton covering Walker and Benny. We haven't had a defensive squad like that in ages, this season for example, not having proper LB cover has cost us in Rose ballsing it all up against Villa.

The re-assuring thing is we seem to be getting on with stuff now, although we'll still probably be panicking on the last day of the transfer window bidding for gary taylor fletcher and Kevin Doyle....Although Doyle isn't actually that bad of a shout imo...

You need a striker, desperately. With Adebayor only on loan, and Saha's contract up (so might not be extended, should fuck him off to pay Ade's wages) to partner Defoe, who I still rate highly.

I can see Modric leaving this summer. Van der Vaart will stay, not to sure about Bale though. Can see Barca going big to get him, or even Mourinho, maybe involving a swap deal for di Maria.

The reason you cocked up getting Champs League this season is Redknapp, skimping your squad in January, and I the England possibility rattled him. I wouldn't be surprised if he left and you got in Capello, would be a brilliant move for you lot I reckon.

Not a snowball in hell's chance of di Maria joining spuds.

 

[Ray78]

You need a striker, desperately. With Adebayor only on loan, and Saha's contract up (so might not be extended, should fuck him off to pay Ade's wages) to partner Defoe, who I still rate highly.

I can see Modric leaving this summer. Van der Vaart will stay, not to sure about Bale though. Can see Barca going big to get him, or even Mourinho, maybe involving a swap deal for di Maria.

The reason you cocked up getting Champs League this season is Redknapp, skimping your squad in January, and I the England possibility rattled him. I wouldn't be surprised if he left and you got in Capello, would be a brilliant move for you lot I reckon.

Strikers are what we need for sure, hopefully Ade can stay as he's been so important to us. Defoe's a strange one, too good to sell, not good enough to start, will understand if he wants to leave as his game doesn't really suit the formation which gets the best out of our best players.

I assume Modric will be off as well, hopefully to someone overseas for a shit load of money. Bale will most likely stay imo, VDV for sure.

Redknapp can be blamed for parts but at the end of the day, achieving fourth place above teams like Chelsea and Liverpool who spent a shitload is still pretty good, losing champs league in the way we did is a shame but it doesn't seem to have affected our targets, with Vertonghen and Remy still sounding viable. I'd much rather win the Europa league than be an also ran in the CL anyway to be honest

-- Wed May 23, 2012 7:51 pm --

Another problem I see at Spurs is the Goalkeeping situation. Friedal has one more season at the top level.

Another good point, it's going to be a busy summer if we want to sort out our squad long term. It'd be nice to find our own long term keeper as opposed to relying on short term fixes but I can't fault Brad, been quality and a calm influence on our defence, which was a nice change.

Admittedly Friedal had been like Van der Saar at the rags. I asked this question to another Spurs fan on here, do you reckon you will give Harry another deal?

 

[spurspinter1]

Admittedly Freidal had been like Van der Saar at the rags. I asked this question to another Spurs fan on here, do you reckon you will give Harry another deal?

I've no idea, I guess if Levy doesn't plan on giving him another deal it may make him think twice about signing his targets, so if there is little faith there then it makes sense to get rid, get a new manager and have a rebuilding summer. Think Harry's only got a few more years managing at this level, and I'm pretty much on the fence regarding him staying or leaving.

 

[hello]

Shit reasoned posts from a spud whatever next?

The comment abpout wiining the europha league which i think if dodgy harry took seriously you would be in with a shout off, do you seriosuly think he has it in him to set his stall out to deliver silver or does he see finishing jsut outside the shumps leagues places as more important.

 

[spurspinter1]

This. Look at Athletico and Athletic Bilbao this season, brilliant football and very very decent opponents. They've made it a reputable competition again and like you said, less pressure on your squad and valuable experience. By building a decent squad it could improve your league performances and individuals.

Exactly, this season could be key in the development of Livermore Naughton and Caulker and perhaps Kane, who will all presumably get plenty of time in the Europa group stages so will be happier to stick around as opposed to going out on loan.

Now if only they could pull their fingers out of their arses and give the EL winner entry to the CL I'd be even happier about being in the Europa League. Any experience of playing in Europa is a good one and gives the club experience in managing midweek fixtures alongside the premier league.<br /><br />-- Wed May 23, 2012 8:08 pm --<br /><br />

Shit reasoned posts from a spud whatever next?

The comment abpout wiining the europha league which i think if dodgy harry took seriously you would be in with a shout off, do you seriosuly think he has it in him to set his stall out to deliver silver or does he see finishing jsut outside the shumps leagues places as more important.

Shit reasoned post? I'm not even sure what you mean by that but I'll try to answer...Actually, on second thoughts I don't understand your post at all, my apologies! Could you explain what you mean?

 

[Bilboblue]

This. Look at Athletico and Athletic Bilbao this season, brilliant football and very very decent opponents. They've made it a reputable competition again and like you said, less pressure on your squad and valuable experience. By building a decent squad it could improve your league performances and individuals.

Exactly, this season could be key in the development of Livermore Naughton and Caulker and perhaps Kane, who will all presumably get plenty of time in the Europa group stages so will be happier to stick around as opposed to going out on loan.

Now if only they could pull their fingers out of their arses and give the EL winner entry to the CL I'd be even happier about being in the Europa League. Any experience of playing in Europa is a good one and gives the club experience in managing midweek fixtures alongside the premier league.

-- Wed May 23, 2012 8:08 pm --

Shit reasoned posts from a spud whatever next?

The comment abpout wiining the europha league which i think if dodgy harry took seriously you would be in with a shout off, do you seriosuly think he has it in him to set his stall out to deliver silver or does he see finishing jsut outside the shumps leagues places as more important.

Shit reasoned post? I'm not even sure what you mean by that but I'll try to answer...Actually, on second thoughts I don't understand your post at all, my apologies! Could you explain what you mean?

He means: Shit! Reasoned posts from a spuds fan???

Get it?

By the way, you won't get past yoonited in the latter stages of the Europa!

 

[Ray78]

Admittedly Freidal had been like Van der Saar at the rags. I asked this question to another Spurs fan on here, do you reckon you will give Harry another deal?

I've no idea, I guess if Levy doesn't plan on giving him another deal it may make him think twice about signing his targets, so if there is little faith there then it makes sense to get rid, get a new manager and have a rebuilding summer. Think Harry's only got a few more years managing at this level, and I'm pretty much on the fence regarding him staying or leaving.

Sensible stance especially when Harry had his mind on the England job as well.

 

[Marvin]

I thought Spurs were very unlucky not to get 3rd. The disruption caused by the England job had a huge effect on their season. The Harry for England coincided wit their dip in form anyway.

Even at the end it was only a stupid sending off at Villa, and a bizarre goalkeeping performance by Fulop for WBA against Arsenalon the last day which saw Spurs lose out on 4th.

From the outside Spurs seem to have great fullbacks. but need a new keeper, centre-back and striker. Adebayor could be the man to sort out the striking problem, but I think he will get offers from abroad too. The one player who I have never rated at Spurs, but whom Spurs fans seem to love is Van der Vaart. He's got so much quality, but for me he just lets game drift by. I think Spurs would be better off without him.

 

[hello]

Indeed my post missed the ! and had pretty shite typing I should proof read before hitting submit.

Yes the Jist was that your a rarity in posting reasoned comments rather than we're all scum for our owners having money and uefa should change the rules to suit you.

The question was poorly phased it that do you as a spuds fan think harry will take the Europa seriously as if you do i would say you have to be the top 4/6 in terms of a realistic chance of winning it.

 

[Danamy]

Admittedly Freidal had been like Van der Saar at the rags. I asked this question to another Spurs fan on here, do you reckon you will give Harry another deal?

I've no idea, I guess if Levy doesn't plan on giving him another deal it may make him think twice about signing his targets, so if there is little faith there then it makes sense to get rid, get a new manager and have a rebuilding summer. Think Harry's only got a few more years managing at this level, and I'm pretty much on the fence regarding him staying or leaving.

Sensible stance especially when Harry had his mind on the England job as well.

Levy has certainly been acting lately as if he's preparing for life without Twitcher, the relationship between them is strained and is looking hard to repair, it'll certainly be an interesting summer down the lane that's for sure.

As i've said before though i'm still hearing Vertonghen is in the bag regardless.............

 

[Mikeegrini]

How long is remaining on 'arys contract?

 

[Ray78]

I've no idea, I guess if Levy doesn't plan on giving him another deal it may make him think twice about signing his targets, so if there is little faith there then it makes sense to get rid, get a new manager and have a rebuilding summer. Think Harry's only got a few more years managing at this level, and I'm pretty much on the fence regarding him staying or leaving.

Sensible stance especially when Harry had his mind on the England job as well.

Levy has certainly been acting lately as if he's preparing for life without Twitcher, the relationship between them is strained and is looking hard to repair, it'll certainly be an interesting summer down the lane that's for sure.

As i've said before though i'm still hearing Vertonghen is in the bag regardless.............

Pure guesswork from me but I expect the Scousers to rival that Vertonghen bid, if they get their skates on appointing a new manager.

 

[taconinja]

lol crazy spuds fans want to sue us to take our place in the CL. From Glory Glory

Should City be placed in the Europa League?

Hi guys! I'm new here, but I thought I should share this with you. Maybe it's already been posted, then just delete
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...4_DOWNLOAD.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...4_DOWNLOAD.pdf</a>

From this document it says:
2.03 The UEFA Champions League titleholder is guaranteed a place in the group
stage even if it does not qualify for the competition through its domestic
championship.
a) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to four places in the
UEFA Champions League and qualifies for the UEFA Europa League
through its domestic competitions, the lowest-ranked club of the 2
association’s UEFA Champions League representatives is automatically
transferred to the UEFA Europa League (into the latest possible round
where there is a vacancy). In this case, the number of places to which the
titleholder's association is entitled in the UEFA Champions League and
the UEFA Europa League does not change.

Could we look forward to Mr. Levy using his summer in court facing City and/or UEFA?

Looks crystal-clear to me, City is ranked lower than us by now!

My serious answer - no he won't and no he shouldn't. The rules are the rules and we all knew them beforehand.

My less serious answer - what are the rules actually? The relevant UEFA regualtion says "the UEFA Champions League titleholder is guaranteed a place in the group stage even if it does not qualify for the competition through its domestic championship. If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to four places in the UEFA Champions League and qualifies for the UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, the lowest-ranked club of the association’s UEFA Champions League representatives is automatically transferred to the UEFA Europa League (into the latest possible round where there is a vacancy)." If you look at this page on UEFA's website, at the tab headed "Club rankings", Manchester United are 2nd, Arsenal are 6th, Tottenham are 27th and Manchester City are 28th. So, aren't Manchester City the lowest-ranked club?

Mind if I ask which thread this was from? I like reading craziness from time to time.

 

[Danamy]

Sensible stance especially when Harry had his mind on the England job as well.

Levy has certainly been acting lately as if he's preparing for life without Twitcher, the relationship between them is strained and is looking hard to repair, it'll certainly be an interesting summer down the lane that's for sure.

As i've said before though i'm still hearing Vertonghen is in the bag regardless.............

Pure guesswork from me but I expect the Scousers to rival that Vertonghen bid, if they get their skates on appointing a new manager.

I heard it was in the bag a couple of weeks ago but we'll see?