The Waiting List

pride in battle said:
But how many will be actually 'NEW' season ticket holders, are some on this list already season ticket holders who want to relocate? Let's look at the facts...Stoke on a Saturday has not yet sold out...one end is enough at the moment....for now :)
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All that number are fresh customers. Yes many may have Blue Memberships, but none are Season Ticket holder. My wife has only a supporter number, was previously a member, and she is 6th on the list!
 
Marvin said:
Better close that waiting list, or start returning the deposits. Irrational decision to only expand the one stand when there will shortly be more fans on the waiting list, than new seats
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Whilst I personally would have expanded both ends at once I don't think that the club will be closing the waiting list anytime soon.
The first point to consider is that we lose a couple of thousand season ticket holders each Summer through various reasons.
The second point is that I think that the club are keen to do both ends asap. I'm not ITK but if we were to restrict away
supporters and match day sales to current levels we could potentially accommodate 10,250 on the waiting list for
2015-16 bearing in mind we will likely lose 4,000 current season ticket holders in that period. As others have said match day
supporters tickets generate more revenue than season ticket holders but temporarily restricting their supply might in itself
generate more demand for season cards and justify building the second end. The club may take a different view and
aim to increase all 3 sectors at once (season card, match day and away fans). In that case the club may take, for example,
the first 8,000 from the waiting list and offer them season cards (2,000 in 2014-15 and 6,000 in 2015-16) and tell numbers
8,000+ they will be accommodated in later seasons. Obviously if this residual number is very high they will build the second
end. All of this is guesswork but the numbers already signed up suggest the second end will probably be built a year or
two after the first one opens. A lot will depend upon how the team is performing at the time.
 
I am aware that some of the fans on the waiting list are existing City Card holders but it is a big difference to commit to more or less every home game rather than occasional games. It follows that the crowds will significantly increase when those on the waiting list get their season tickets. They will have gone from attending every 3rd game say to every game.

If there's 6 k waiting now, imagine the numbers when the stand is due to open.

If City are sticking by the plan to extend the one stand, then the waiting list will have to be closed soon otherwise there will be problems when you try and squeeze relocators and those on the waiting list into the new stand. It's probably already impossible
 
Marvin said:
I am aware that some of the fans on the waiting list are existing City Card holders but it is a big difference to commit to more or less every home game rather than occasional games. It follows that the crowds will significantly increase when those on the waiting list get their season tickets. They will have gone from attending every 3rd game say to every game.

If there's 6 k waiting now, imagine the numbers when the stand is due to open.

If City are sticking by the plan to extend the one stand, then the waiting list will have to be closed soon otherwise there will be problems when you try and squeeze relocators and those on the waiting list into the new stand. It's probably already impossible
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You've raised a couple of good points there mate. I agree that turning people from Blue Card holders into Season Card holders will significantly
increase attendances because some will go from occasional attendees to regular attendees. I certainly attended more games after I got
my first season ticket in 1976. The other point about the second tier re-locators raises a question that you or somebody else may be able to
answer. The question is does the waiting list include people who want to move into these new semi - corporate areas? I believe when people
registered they were asked what price band they preferred? Was one of them £1250+? I don't know. If not does the club have a separate list
of corporate clients that are waiting for these seats? If they do then maybe we need to add another thousand or so (?) to the list. The club stated
that demand for those types of seats was high when they originally announced the expansion.
 
Wilf Wild 1937 said:
Marvin said:
I am aware that some of the fans on the waiting list are existing City Card holders but it is a big difference to commit to more or less every home game rather than occasional games. It follows that the crowds will significantly increase when those on the waiting list get their season tickets. They will have gone from attending every 3rd game say to every game.

If there's 6 k waiting now, imagine the numbers when the stand is due to open.

If City are sticking by the plan to extend the one stand, then the waiting list will have to be closed soon otherwise there will be problems when you try and squeeze relocators and those on the waiting list into the new stand. It's probably already impossible
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You've raised a couple of good points there mate. I agree that turning people from Blue Card holders into Season Card holders will significantly
increase attendances because some will go from occasional attendees to regular attendees. I certainly attended more games after I got
my first season ticket in 1976. The other point about the second tier re-locators raises a question that you or somebody else may be able to
answer. The question is does the waiting list include people who want to move into these new semi - corporate areas? I believe when people
registered they were asked what price band they preferred? Was one of them £1250+? I don't know. If not does the club have a separate list
of corporate clients that are waiting for these seats? If they do then maybe we need to add another thousand or so (?) to the list. The club stated
that demand for those types of seats was high when they originally announced the expansion.
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£750-900 was the highest offered. I can only imagine that may be for the reasons of keeping Level 2 as full as possible in the short term. Next years increase alone will see many either attempt to relocate out of Level 2 early or give up for good!

Prices were £299-449, 450-599, 600-749, 750-900.

I am almost tempted myself to move into a vacated seat on Level 2 for next season, so that I can then have 1st shot at the £299 tickets for the 15/16 season. A bit of short term price hike may pay long term dividend for the seasons thereafter.
 
Thanks for the information MaineRoadBlue. Bearing in mind likely price rises in existing areas over the next two years I'm guessing that the £750-£900 category is for second tier seats in the East & West stands towards the North Stand for 2015-16. I think that the new semi-corporate seats towards the South Stand will be more expensive. That implies that there is another list somewhere which makes the decision to only build one end seem very cautious.

On the other hand the one thing we haven't really considered in all this is the issue of Safe Standing at higher density. If and it's a big if, Safe Standing was made legal at PL level and German type densities of up to 1.8 standing v 1 seating were allowed, then a 62,000 capacity stadium would
become a 70,000 capacity stadium with the conversion of 10,000 seats. Maybe the club thinks that there are just too many ifs and buts to commit to both ends at once. We could potentially get to 60,000 with just the one end built if we had Safe Standing. 70,000 would be too much at the moment.

I'm kinda glad that it wasn't my decision on whether to build one or both ends. I'd have gone with both but Sod's Law dictates that if we had done
Safe Standing would have been legalised. Now we are only building one it won't be!
 
Its encouraging to see a steady take up to the point where we currently have as good as 6000 on the list. It would seem the Club has to make a decision within the next couple of months on whether it expands one end or both. As others have said its not just the supporters committed to the waiting list but also the perceived new corporate members that the Clubs marketing team may be aware of. It would be a strange decision, given the evidence to date in terms of interest, that they would only commit to one end at this moment. Still, the Club must have good reasons if they do indeed go with the one end option, just hope it doesn't have a negative impact on supporters still joining the list.
 
Interestingly as someone has already mentioned were running at 6000 at the moment I believe.

The blurb says
"Once you join the Seasoncard Waiting List you will be offered the opportunity to purchase any available seats within your price band for the 2015/16 season, whether they’re in existing areas or in the new expanded areas. Should seats become available for the 2014/15 season, priority will be given to supporters on the Seasoncard Waiting List."

Now that bit interests me, obviously the new stand and cheaper tickets is a season and a half away I'm more likely to upgrade from a BC to Platinum if it's available in existing seats in time for the next season.
The difficulty I've got is my waiting no is 2138 which means I would need that many current SC holders to give up the ghost and/or hope that those earlier in the queue don' t take up the offer in order to get one before they build the new South Stand.
Que Sera....... See you all at Wembley!
 
Not sure if it's already been mentioned but there will also be the existing season card holders from the Family Stand whose kids reach an age where they have to move out. Presumably they are guaranteed seats elsewhere in the stadium and their seats are made available to people with kids. I should think that the net result would be more demand for seats in the non-family parts of the stadium.
 
Surely the real down side of doing one end is for us the Fans

If the club manage to sell the one end out and there is still some excess demand not satisfied it will allow the club to keep prices quite high

if both ends were done and not filled there would could be a decision by the club to do more cheap deals in order to sell out

as it stands now the club should be able to maximize prices as the new seats look like being taken up by the waiting list
 
whp.blue said:
Surely the real down side of doing one end is for us the Fans

If the club manage to sell the one end out and there is still some excess demand not satisfied it will allow the club to keep prices quite high

if both ends were done and not filled there would could be a decision by the club to do more cheap deals in order to sell out

as it stands now the club should be able to maximize prices as the new seats look like being taken up by the waiting list
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Sadly this is very true.
 
Blue Streak said:
Okay I signed up for this about a month ago now but how do you find where you are in the list?
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When you first went on the waiting list you should have received an email to confirm your payment and this will have your waiting list number on it.
 
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