I think it's one those multi answer questions. For me, I would want players who look after themselves 7 days a week, those that train hard and want to improve. As an example I'd cite Micah Richards. He has hardly improved at all since his first season despite having all the attributes to be a top class defender. He just seems happy to be a young millionaire enjoying his life ( his choice ) but lacks the attitude to push on and be the best he can be.<br /><br />-- Thu May 13, 2010 5:41 pm --<br /><br />I think it's one those multi answer questions. For me, I would want players who look after themselves 7 days a week, those that train hard and want to improve. As an example I'd cite Micah Richards. He has hardly improved at all since his first season despite having all the attributes to be a top class defender. He just seems happy to be a young millionaire enjoying his life ( his choice ) but lacks the attitude to push on and be the best he can be.
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The "Winning Mentality" Myth
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ali benarbia's studs
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i agreed with you the first time....not the second time ...i felt like you were pushing your views too hard....be warned ;)Palerider said:I think it's one those multi answer questions. For me, I would want players who look after themselves 7 days a week, those that train hard and want to improve. As an example I'd cite Micah Richards. He has hardly improved at all since his first season despite having all the attributes to be a top class defender. He just seems happy to be a young millionaire enjoying his life ( his choice ) but lacks the attitude to push on and be the best he can be.
-- Thu May 13, 2010 5:41 pm --
I think it's one those multi answer questions. For me, I would want players who look after themselves 7 days a week, those that train hard and want to improve. As an example I'd cite Micah Richards. He has hardly improved at all since his first season despite having all the attributes to be a top class defender. He just seems happy to be a young millionaire enjoying his life ( his choice ) but lacks the attitude to push on and be the best he can be.
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When most people refer to someone having'a winnning mentality' what they usually mean is that they spout loads of meaningless cliches or pump their fist and shout a lot.
When Hughes came in there were loads on here stating that this would see the end of stuff like bad results at Wigan because he was a hard task master/ a winner/ wouldn't stand for it/ creates a siege mentality/ blah, blah, blah.
Based not on anything tangible, only based on the fact that he talked a lot about 'winning mentalities', 'football factories', etc and had some sort of reputation of being kind of hard.
He wouldn't allow results like the relaxed Sven did. Then came WestBrom, Brighton, Forest, etc.
Not to mention that we hadrecent history of so-called 'winners' in the manager's seat and creating nothing like a team with a 'winning mentality' - Ball, Pearce, etc.
People have different styles, but talking the talk and being seen, and liking to be seen, as 'a winner' usually has feck all to do with it.
On the playing side. Bellamy is apparently a winner. Runs a lot, good on the pitch attitude, moans about everything, has a will to win, etc. So why is someone like Kuyt, a mild mannered bloke who has a meek personaility, more successful as a player and much more of 'a winner' if you compare careers?
Of course, I could pick better examples (choose him because he stayed at Liverpool whilst Bellamy was shipped out) and others could choose examples that show Bellamy as 'a winner'.
But the point remains that cliches, fist pumping, talking about a winning mentality and wanting to be seen as 'a winner' rarely have anything to do with creating success. Success can be moulded with a variety of styles, including disciplinarian and including relaxed, and it makes me want to knaw my arm off when people, despite the lessons of history, fall for all the 'winning mentality' rhetoric of chancers desperate to pander to their own ego.
(I remember hearing a Blackpool player, that thug from the centre of midfield (Bamber? Not sure, don't think it was. A fatish bloke who kicked people, can't remember the name) years ago on TV spouting off about how he was a winner and that is why they had got some important result. It made me wonder why such a 'winner' was therefore plying his trade as a journeyman with little success and scant reward compared to many other players. Harsh on him, maybe, but it summed up all this 'winner/winning mentality' rubbish for me
When Hughes came in there were loads on here stating that this would see the end of stuff like bad results at Wigan because he was a hard task master/ a winner/ wouldn't stand for it/ creates a siege mentality/ blah, blah, blah.
Based not on anything tangible, only based on the fact that he talked a lot about 'winning mentalities', 'football factories', etc and had some sort of reputation of being kind of hard.
He wouldn't allow results like the relaxed Sven did. Then came WestBrom, Brighton, Forest, etc.
Not to mention that we hadrecent history of so-called 'winners' in the manager's seat and creating nothing like a team with a 'winning mentality' - Ball, Pearce, etc.
People have different styles, but talking the talk and being seen, and liking to be seen, as 'a winner' usually has feck all to do with it.
On the playing side. Bellamy is apparently a winner. Runs a lot, good on the pitch attitude, moans about everything, has a will to win, etc. So why is someone like Kuyt, a mild mannered bloke who has a meek personaility, more successful as a player and much more of 'a winner' if you compare careers?
Of course, I could pick better examples (choose him because he stayed at Liverpool whilst Bellamy was shipped out) and others could choose examples that show Bellamy as 'a winner'.
But the point remains that cliches, fist pumping, talking about a winning mentality and wanting to be seen as 'a winner' rarely have anything to do with creating success. Success can be moulded with a variety of styles, including disciplinarian and including relaxed, and it makes me want to knaw my arm off when people, despite the lessons of history, fall for all the 'winning mentality' rhetoric of chancers desperate to pander to their own ego.
(I remember hearing a Blackpool player, that thug from the centre of midfield (Bamber? Not sure, don't think it was. A fatish bloke who kicked people, can't remember the name) years ago on TV spouting off about how he was a winner and that is why they had got some important result. It made me wonder why such a 'winner' was therefore plying his trade as a journeyman with little success and scant reward compared to many other players. Harsh on him, maybe, but it summed up all this 'winner/winning mentality' rubbish for me
bezdog
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Palerider said:I think it's one those multi answer questions. For me, I would want players who look after themselves 7 days a week, those that train hard and want to improve. As an example I'd cite Micah Richards. He has hardly improved at all since his first season despite having all the attributes to be a top class defender. He just seems happy to be a young millionaire enjoying his life ( his choice ) but lacks the attitude to push on and be the best he can be.
-- Thu May 13, 2010 5:41 pm --
I think it's one those multi answer questions. For me, I would want players who look after themselves 7 days a week, those that train hard and want to improve. As an example I'd cite Micah Richards. He has hardly improved at all since his first season despite having all the attributes to be a top class defender. He just seems happy to be a young millionaire enjoying his life ( his choice ) but lacks the attitude to push on and be the best he can be.
heard you the first time mate tbh
colinbellsboots
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exspect to win chances are you will win
exspect to lose youve already lost.
exspect to lose youve already lost.
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Falastur said:I think you've misunderstood the winning mentality thing - or your idea is different to mine. A winning mentality isn't so much the belief that you can win any game. It's the willingness to keep running for the win up until the final whistle no matter what the score, as opposed to having players who will concede a goal and then give up and spend the rest of the game walking around the pitch because they don't think they can recover. Moreover it's also about the team actually wanting the win from the start, rather than playing for their salaries and looking disinterested sometimes.
In this sense, it's very important to have the winning mentality.
i haven't misunderstood anything. i am saying that IN MY OPINION, a winning mentality is never settling for something when you can have better. i don't expect us to win every game, but we should try to win unless we are being outplayed. it never ceases to amaze me that people have a theory on something immeasurable, yet try to correct others who give their own interpretation. this despite it being on a forum which is designed for interaction and diverse opinion.
A winning mentality is absolutely vital i think. Having the sheer desire to win a match, to train to be the best you can be, to never give up and push yourself to last minute. You can have all the talent in the world, and still be a good player, but without the correct mentality i don't think you can be a great player. Talent and mentality combined together, make the very best. Using a different sport, there are players out there who have the same level of talent as Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal, but they'll never be as good as them, ever, because they lack the drive and focus required to be a true winner (Richard Gasquet is a good example).
However, teams are a different matter to individual players, that's where the manager comes in.
However, teams are a different matter to individual players, that's where the manager comes in.
City Raider
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whether you think you can, or think you can't - you're normally right
Shadz69
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A 'winning mentality' comes in many forms from confidence in your own ability, a never say die attitude,leadership and respect on the pitch in certain players and other players look to this and it spreads through the team.1 player can be the catalyst or 2 or 3.The more the better.It is important I feel.