They should listen to Obama

Your condescending response doesn't suggest that you could respect a differing view other than yours.
It is true that wars are fought using guns. If it weren't for guns, Hitler may have won and we'd all be speaking German apart from the Jews who would have been eradicated whilst the rest of us lived in complete fascism.
Your second point is where you mention mass murderers. Who? Like Mao, Hitler, Stalin?
Do you know how many those 3 alone murdered? Millions. Millions of people killed. How were they able to kill so many? They made it illegal for the Jews to own guns in Hitlers case. The others banned private ownership of guns so that people could not defend themselves.

Now, of course, any death is regrettable but obviously we as a society do deem a certain amount of death as acceptable. People die in car accidents and drown in swimming pools but we don't ask to ban them even though more die from car accidents each year than from guns.

The car argument is really one of the poorest and facile arguments. If the car had been built and designed to run people over or cause maximum damage in crashes and that was its sole purpose I can guarantee 100% cars would be illegal.
 
I seriously thought you were kidding. The problem is that owning a rifle in the US isn't going to enable people to overthrow a tyrannical government since our military has aircraft carriers, war ships, helicopters, fighter jets and countless other technologically superior weapons. So spouting right-wing talking points about Hitler doesn't really apply to today's world.

I think people owning rifles helped the people of Vietnam against the same military. Russia nor the U.S. can't even control Afghanistan and they both tried for years
 
The car argument is really one of the poorest and facile arguments. If the car had been built and designed to run people over or cause maximum damage in crashes and that was its sole purpose I can guarantee 100% cars would be illegal.
Not to mention that you have to pass a test to be allowed to drive and your privileges can be revoked if you lose the ability to operate a car safely. Guns on the other hand can be bought by children without their parents knowing about it in some states as long as their bought at gun shows. You can't legally sell beer to a kid but you can sell them a gun. Yeah, that makes sense.
 
Not to mention that you have to pass a test to be allowed to drive and your privileges can be revoked if you lose the ability to operate a car safely. Guns on the other hand can be bought by children without their parents knowing about it in some states as long as their bought at gun shows. You can't legally sell beer to a kid but you can sell them a gun. Yeah, that makes sense.
That was Obama's point a day ago, it is harder in the US to buy nearly anything than a gun. the NRA complain guns are singled out, they are singled out for favourable treatment.

If you buy a plane ticket, apply for any form of insurance or health care, apply to study or try to drink alcohol or do just about anything and it's harder.

For a car you need a licence to drive, you need to be of a certain age, you need to have INsurance, you need finance checks, you are filmed every time you but petrol etc etc etc

The maddest thing is that the NRA are trying to stop the government putting laws in to stop terrorist suspects on no fly lists from buying guns.

The gun lobby are in the US what anti Vaxers are in aus, they cannot listen to reason, or facts or common sense and are just hell bent on their agenda no matter what the consequences to anyone.
 
Not to mention that you have to pass a test to be allowed to drive and your privileges can be revoked if you lose the ability to operate a car safely. Guns on the other hand can be bought by children without their parents knowing about it in some states as long as their bought at gun shows. You can't legally sell beer to a kid but you can sell them a gun. Yeah, that makes sense.
The other one I thought after sandy hook was that prents who buy serious millitary weaponry and don't keep them safe when they know they have mentally ill children should be held accountable for how they are used.

Also why are gun sellers protected from the consequences of their sales in a way that no other industry or business is.

Other industries should be fighting for equality
 
That was Obama's point a day ago, it is harder in the US to buy nearly anything than a gun. the NRA complain guns are singled out, they are singled out for favourable treatment.

If you buy a plane ticket, apply for any form of insurance or health care, apply to study or try to drink alcohol or do just about anything and it's harder.

For a car you need a licence to drive, you need to be of a certain age, you need to have INsurance, you need finance checks, you are filmed every time you but petrol etc etc etc

The maddest thing is that the NRA are trying to stop the government putting laws in to stop terrorist suspects on no fly lists from buying guns.

The gun lobby are in the US what anti Vaxers are in aus, they cannot listen to reason, or facts or common sense and are just hell bent on their agenda no matter what the consequences to anyone.
The NRA is funded by the gun industry so they constantly tell people the government is coming for their guns. This causes the simple-minded to think they need to stock up on guns and ammo so they buy tons of shit they don't need. The gun companies make piles of money and funnel it back to the NRA. After Sandy Hook they started a rumor that a certain type of ammo was going to be outlawed and they actually sold out of it because people bought thousands of rounds. Of course the ammo was never outlawed but people spend all of their money to get it.
 
The NRA is funded by the gun industry so they constantly tell people the government is coming for their guns. This causes the simple-minded to think they need to stock up on guns and ammo so they buy tons of shit they don't need. The gun companies make piles of money and funnel it back to the NRA. After Sandy Hook they started a rumor that a certain type of ammo was going to be outlawed and they actually sold out of it because people bought thousands of rounds. Of course the ammo was never outlawed but people spend all of their money to get it.
22's have been almost impossible to buy since Obama came into office, the NRA's reach should not be underestimated
 
22's have been almost impossible to buy since Obama came into office, the NRA's reach should not be underestimated
I don't think anyone underestimates them they own a huge chunk of congress. Brilliant strategy, you oppose our views we will put the money behind your opponent and you'll lose your job. Only way to beat it is to pump twice as much money against it but who is going to ever be brave enough to fund against gun nuts. It's simple and brilliantly effective!

Not only that but it drives business so they actually like the government taking action as in the short term it only helps .

One day technology will render guns useless (though it already is against the state) but until then it's just a money train

The irony is the people who really need guns and use them particularly in remoter parts are as Buckshot shows the people funding the lifestyle of the wealthy who make the money from it all
 
The car argument is really one of the poorest and facile arguments. If the car had been built and designed to run people over or cause maximum damage in crashes and that was its sole purpose I can guarantee 100% cars would be illegal.

I shall ignore your derogatory tone and stick to courteous debate. If you could do the same that would be great.
You seem to think that all that guns are designed for, is to kill or maim. I would suggest they are what is known as a force equaliser or force multiplier. For example, a woman who is attacked by a rapist can defend herself against an assailant who is much stronger than her.
For example, 4 robbers break into a 70 year old mans house. With a gun he can defend his life and property. Without it, much like the woman in the above example, they are unable to defend themselves and are subject to whatever the criminal chooses.
Example #3. Hitler and fascism rise in power and the world defends itself through legal force against violence. So if you enjoy the freedoms of your country, you should realise that freedom was fought for, and many died but ultimately we won, thanks to guns.
This freedom, allows you and your lesbian partner Cumshot to live in peace and enjoy long walks and sushi in cuckoo land.
 
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