This could be one of the truest Articles of the season......

Just another rather long-winded post from someone else who thinks drawing every game between now and the end of the season will ensure we get the hallowed 6th spot, or higher.

And also think there is some credence in Chelsea losing two compared to our one???
 
Balti said:
It would be fair enough if it was still 2 points for a win

Unfortunately it isn't and so picking up one third of the points available in a relatively easy run of games is not something to admire or applaud

On paper it is bad enough but when you watch games and see why and how it is happening then you cannot paint this run of results and being unbeaten as a positive thing

It is simply not good enough and the manager needs to know that and not be told that actually its really pretty good because we remain undefeated. That is not going to be the case for very much longer

Not good enough Hughes. Simply not good enough.


So are we not allowed to have a slump then? A slump which has produced NO defeats I might add? How do you not know that this is all this is, a slump? And how do you not know that we could go on and come out of that slump and win the next 5 games?
 
Pigeonho said:
DontLookBackInAnger said:
You think we will beat Everton by 11 or more goals????(on top of the fact that Arsenal that are 4th have played 13 games too).

Ok Mr pedantic, joint 4th then. Point is, if we win on Saturday and results go for us, we go joint 4th on points. If we win our game in hand, it puts us well amongst that pack as the festive fixtures come up. If, on 1/8/09 someone had asked me would that be a good position to be in, as well as a semi final spot in the league cup, I would have said a most definite yes, and i'd hope all of you would too.


I would've snapped their hand off. I was expecting a very very tough 1st half of the season with many defensive disasters & incessant whinging followed by a climb up the table at the death. Some games we've been better & some worse than I expected but we're much better placed at this point than I thought we'd be.
 
Cheltblue said:
Just another rather long-winded post from someone else who thinks drawing every game between now and the end of the season will ensure we get the hallowed 6th spot, or higher.
Just another boring post from someone who thinks even Hughes inners would be happy with drawing from now to the end of the season!
 
Pigeonho said:
Balti said:
It would be fair enough if it was still 2 points for a win

Unfortunately it isn't and so picking up one third of the points available in a relatively easy run of games is not something to admire or applaud

On paper it is bad enough but when you watch games and see why and how it is happening then you cannot paint this run of results and being unbeaten as a positive thing

It is simply not good enough and the manager needs to know that and not be told that actually its really pretty good because we remain undefeated. That is not going to be the case for very much longer

Not good enough Hughes. Simply not good enough.


So are we not allowed to have a slump then? A slump which has produced NO defeats I might add? How do you not know that this is all this is, a slump? And how do you not know that we could go on and come out of that slump and win the next 5 games?


You're happy to speculate after the drivel weve witnessed over the last 5 games?
 
EddH said:
It is full of painful truthes, and non rational thinking, all this from the M.E.N. ???

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ty/s/1184518_snipers_are_quick_on_the_trigger
MARK Hughes is rapidly discovering the madness of life at the sharp end of the Premier League.

He must be the first City manager in history to reach December with one defeat in all competitions - and still be backed for the sack in some quarters!

In fact, Hughes is the ONLY manager in City's history to reach December with one defeat, even if that impressive statistic has been buried beneath the avalanche of frustration brought on by seven successive draws.

It is with some irony that Arsenal and Chelsea should be the next two visitors to Eastlands, for games which some snipers would have you believe are make-or-break for the Blues boss.

Arsene Wenger's bright young things are being trumpeted as evidence of the purity of the Gunners' ethos, a tribute to their dedication to youth.

And yet a quick glance at the weekend starting line-ups reveals that in the team destroyed by Chelsea on Sunday, Arsenal did not have one player who had joined them before his 16th birthday. City had three in their XI against Hull.

That kind of bare stat did not stop Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis making an abortive ascent of the moral high ground, taking pot-shots at the new money of City and Chelsea along the way.

"We believe that success which is built is more significant, more meaningful and ultimately, more important than success which is bought," said the Gunners supremo.

If they had had any money left after buying a spanking new stadium, presumably Arsenal would have given it to the poor and needy, otherwise known as Liverpool.

We are being told by the high and mighty at certain Sunday newspapers that, if City don't dismiss Arsenal and then achieve a good result against Chelsea, Hughes' job is on the line.

Wenger saw his team dismantled by Chelsea on Sunday. And yet the prospect of them also losing to City tomorrow night does not provoke any kind of howls for the studious Frenchman to be tipped from his seat.

Even though the fragile Gunners have also been turned over by United, City and Sunderland this season.

Yet Hughes' side, being dismissed as under-achievers in some quarters, are just three points behind them, having already beaten them, and beaten them well.

That brings us to Chelsea, who skipper John Terry says feel "unbeatable." Any City fan in possession of an anorak could point out that the "unbeatables" have lost precisely twice as many games as the Blues this season.

To describe Hughes' fate as hinging on a clash with Chelsea - possibly the best all-round team on the planet right now - is ludicrous.

This is a team who have already beaten Arsenal, Liverpool and United, three clubs which have the benefit of several years of the experience which survival at the top of the Premier League brings, and of the cash which the Champions League brings.

The task facing Hughes and City this season is not to be wiping the floor with Chelsea, but to scramble and fight their way into a position from which they truly can compete with the top teams

If Hughes can finish fourth this season, he should be Manager of the Year by a country mile. But look at the £200m he has spent, comes the cry.

Money alone solves nothing. If you splash out on an old ramshackle farmhouse, it still takes time, patience and prolonged attention to detail, as well as hard cash, before it becomes a home.

And when you buy that farmhouse, you don't have the problem that the best fixtures and fittings are unavailable because they prefer the swanky mansions, just down the road.

To expect Hughes to storm the Premier League top four, armed only with wads of dough, is preposterous.

The City manager has spent well, but the top, top players who win you a Champions League place and then keep it, have still eluded the Blues.

It is a vicious circle. Until you are in the Champions League, you cannot hope to attract the Kakas, the John Terrys, the Steven Gerrards, the Xabi Alonsos.

People have made the mistake this season of treating City as a peer of United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal, by dint of wealth alone.

That mistake was intensified by the Blues' good start to the season, when Blackburn, Wolves, Portsmouth and Arsenal were all beaten, and the expectation hit volcanic levels.

City have attracted very good players, but the lack of Champions League football has meant they have been unable to lure the best, even though the knowledge of their wealth and ambition has meant they have paid top dollar for the players they have bought.

It should be noted that Wayne Bridge and Shaun Wright-Phillips - two excellent players and England internationals - are at City because they were surplus to requirements at Chelsea.

Joleon Lescott could yet prove Hughes right when he said the £24m buy could become the best defender in the Premier League. Yet, at the moment, he is not a Terry, or a Nemanja Vidic.

Similarly, for all their talents and potential, Emmanuel Adebayor is not Didier Drogba, Carlos Tevez is not Wayne Rooney, and Stevie Ireland is not Frank Lampard.

Claiming that fourth spot, and/or reaching a domestic cup final would be a major achievement for Hughes, and give the club a real foundation, rather than one based on the size of their bank balance.

Now is not the time for moaning and groaning. These are two big games for the Blues, and both Hughes and his players need and deserve the support of the fans.

It is a time for calm heads and clear vision, and a sight of the bigger picture, both on and off the field.

The day i take advice from a fecking self confessed RAG as to what i should think about City or how i should support them is the day i fecking give up!

Mr Brennan.......feck off!
 
GaudinoMotors said:
m27 said:
How? It sings the praises of our manager but slates our current players. It's hypocritical as it acually has a potentially demoralising effect on our players whilst preaching to us to get behind them.

I'd go as far as to say it's the worst article I've read in a long long time.

1. It is realistic about the players - and may even provoke a reaction
2. You need to read more

You need to read it again. It suggests that those players mentioned are not as good as other club's players. Realistic or not, it is not inviting a response from them, it is writing them off.

Why not write an article which says, "...Hughes is no Jose Mourinho, so to expect City to gatecrash the Top 4 immediately is just fanciful." Get my point?
 
Cheltblue said:
Pigeonho said:
So are we not allowed to have a slump then? A slump which has produced NO defeats I might add? How do you not know that this is all this is, a slump? And how do you not know that we could go on and come out of that slump and win the next 5 games?


You're happy to speculate after the drivel weve witnessed over the last 5 games?

The fact is, we could and I for one would rather be positive than have what most of you on here seem to have, a 'fuck it i've given up' attitude. What's wrong with you? I mean for fuck sake look at Everton and what they're having to suffer, and don't use the 'we've spent £200m' garbage, because having spent that money we are exactly where many of us, if not all, should want us to be, 3 points of joint 4th, a game in hand to put us right amongst it all, a place hopefully in the semi's and all that as xmas approaches? Why not just be happy with that potnential position, rather than act like its 1998 again in division 2?
 
moomba said:
I see we're back to the "our players aren't that good, we shouldn't aspire to compete with the Sky 4" excuses.

Adebayor isn't Drogba - correct
Tevez isn't Rooney - correct
Ireland isn't Lampard - correct (and for me thats a good thing)

Despite the fact i'd probably prefer Ireland over Lampard, that article was a fantastic one. Its spot on when it says 'money alone doesn't make us a peer to the top 4'. At no point, as again you've wrongly suggested, does that article say our players aren't good enough and our squad too weak to aspire for the top 4. Instead it actually suggests we should finish fourth.

How can it be "propaganda" when the article basically deals in facts?

I'm sure you read what you want to see, rather than whats actually said.
 
m27 said:
GaudinoMotors said:
1. It is realistic about the players - and may even provoke a reaction
2. You need to read more

You need to read it again. It suggests that those players mentioned are not as good as other club's players. Realistic or not, it is not inviting a response from them, it is writing them off.

Why not write an article which says, "...Hughes is no Jose Mourinho, so to expect City to gatecrash the Top 4 immediately is just fanciful." Get my point?
1.If I get what a I perceive to be a critcism - I tend to respond positively - do you curl up and throw the towel in?
2. Having re read the article on your advice - I`m of the same opinion - nowhere near as simplistic as your new title
 

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