Three dead in Belgium

Nailed nothing whatsoever, applying this 'Logic' to the actions of islamist murderers is ridiculous.
Native American Indians should be in a never ending terrorist war.
Same with Australian aborigines.
Virtually every country in Africa, colonised by Britain, France, Germany, Belgium, all terrorism 'Justified'
by this stance, although there isn't any.
Homosexuals thrown off buildings because the West attempts to remove the Taliban in Afghanistan, that correlates
does it?
Until terrorism is met with a united front to defeat it, and not justified by handwringing nonsense, it will only
get worse.

well from memory the Native Americans lost their war and were subdued by the United States Govt, moved onto reservations and were left with so little and were so controlled they had nothing to continue the fight with.
In a lot of those colonised countries there is no Islamic inspired terrorism. I suspect homosexuals would be mistreated whether the Taliban were there or not - there are still some Commonwealth countries that criminalise homosexuality.
Sure face terrorism with a united front - not sure when that will happen though. And meantime carry on bombing and invading countries because there is no comeback at home?
 
well from memory the Native Americans lost their war and were subdued by the United States Govt, moved onto reservations and were left with so little and were so controlled they had nothing to continue the fight with.
In a lot of those colonised countries there is no Islamic inspired terrorism. I suspect homosexuals would be mistreated whether the Taliban were there or not - there are still some Commonwealth countries that criminalise homosexuality.
Sure face terrorism with a united front - not sure when that will happen though. And meantime carry on bombing and invading countries because there is no comeback at home?
So you're saying that because of subjugation American Indians have no reason to become terrorists? I'd have thought
this very fact, would have supported your view that they have reasons to be, after all, that's why Islamist terrorists do
it, no? The same with countries forcefully colonised. There is always a view on the left that horrific acts are somehow the fault
of the victims of these acts, the countries you say were bombed and invaded did not have their populations deliberately
targeted for destruction, but it's always presented as though they were. Afghanistan was a coalition of over 50 nations,
they were not there to murder and enslave, ISIS style, these islamist murderers want their medieval views imposed on the whole
world, so use these heinous acts to frighten people and then cow them, it does not help the fight against them by giving them
some sort of justification for their actions.
 
So you're saying that because of subjugation American Indians have no reason to become terrorists? I'd have thought
this very fact, would have supported your view that they have reasons to be, after all, that's why Islamist terrorists do
it, no? The same with countries forcefully colonised. There is always a view on the left that horrific acts are somehow the fault
of the victims of these acts, the countries you say were bombed and invaded did not have their populations deliberately
targeted for destruction, but it's always presented as though they were. Afghanistan was a coalition of over 50 nations,
they were not there to murder and enslave, ISIS style, these islamist murderers want their medieval views imposed on the whole
world, so use these heinous acts to frighten people and then cow them, it does not help the fight against them by giving them
some sort of justification for their actions.

There you go - left and right and as always those on the left hold the wrong view. Not playing your game today I'm out.
 
Most of the radicals from the U.K. get radicalised in the nick and we think the answer is to put more in the self same prisons service, then to segregate all the prisoners, encourage a gang like culture so all the Muslims are corralled together and we are surprised that petty criminals when they went in become radical terrorists when they come out. Who would have thought that? Still, we’ve got a government task force looking into it, more overcrowding and less prison officers, so that’ll be that sorted.....

I tend to agree. Especially since some of the radical terrorists were in prison for shop lifting and other relatively minor crimes.

I have volunteered to do some mentoring of ex offenders (not started yet) in areas that include big Muslim populations. This thread has made me think more about who I might be working with.
 
Just reading about this. Doesn't sound much like a muslim terrorist attack, more a criminal who was about to be caught so had one last hurrah. Would love to see some kind of evidence of him shouting Allahu Akbar' because that seems to be the go to response every time something like this happens, even when it's not true.
 
Just reading about this. Doesn't sound much like a muslim terrorist attack, more a criminal who was about to be caught so had one last hurrah. Would love to see some kind of evidence of him shouting Allahu Akbar' because that seems to be the go to response every time something like this happens, even when it's not true.
'Herman, who was serving a 17-year sentence in Marche prison for drugs and theft convictions, was given 36 hours’ leave on Monday evening to stay with his grandmother in the town of On, near Marche-en-Famenne.

Since being imprisoned in 2003 he had completed 11 one-day release permits and 13 two-day periods of leave without problems. Investigators are examining whether he could have been radicalised in jail.'
 
I think this is the top 100 nonsense posts i have read on Blue Moon ever.

So lets not put dangerous criminals in Jail. Who said Muslims are being segregated? i would guess they just want to mix with people of the same culture and religion. Who is encouraging a gang culture in jail? And then a usual nonsense comment blaming the government.
I suppose you’d know all about nonsense posts. However, the point is that most of them aren’t ‘dangerous criminals’ until they go to jail. Our prison population is rising every year and so is crime. It’s not working and the policy is government policy so I’m unsure as to whom you’d have me blame. Just to show you it is not political bias here are a few facts.
Highest imprisonment rate in Western Europe, prison population up by 82% in the last 30 years.
68000 people sentenced to prison in 2016, 71% of whom had not committed a violent offence. 47% were sentenced to 6 months or less. The average sentence for indictable offences has risen every year since 2007 from 31 months in 2007 to 57 months in 2016. Anyone leaving custody after serving 2 days or more is subject to a minimum 12 month supervision in the community. This change, made in 2015, has led to a 20% increase in people recalled to prison.
The prison system has been overcrowded since 1994 and currently holds 10000 more people than they were designed to do. Over a quarter of the prison population are held in overcrowded cells, almost all doubling up in cells designed for 1. The previous Cameron government committed to building nine new prison, five by 2020.
344 people died in prison last year, the highest number on record. Self inflicted deaths declined every year up to 2011 but are now near record levels and have risen year on year since. Self harm rates are at 471 per 1000 prisoners (almost 1 in 2). Assaults on staff up 88% in last 2 years.
At the same time as all this, HM Prisons and Probation Service has its budget reduced by a quarter. Between 2010-11 and 2014-15 it delivered ‘savings’ of £900M. The ‘cost’ of a prison place reduced by 20% between 2010 and 2016 and it now ONLY costs £35,182 to keep someone locked up for a year. There is a 900 frontline shortfall against benchmark numbers and the Cameron government committed to recruit 2,500 by 2018. They managed 75 last year so it’s not looking likely. Support staff down by 700 means that officers have to do lots more than look after prisoners, such as answering the phone and working the gate.
35000 people were sent to prison on remand and more than half of these were for non-violent offences. 11% of prisoners are on remand and 70% of these are awaiting trial, somare not yet guilty of anything. 10% of remand prisoners were subsequently acquitted and a further 14% got a non-custodial sentence. On average people are on remand for over 10 weeks with more than 25% of self inflicted deaths being people on remand. Remand prisoners get no financial help when they are released, even though their job and career might be over.
Muslim prisoners have more than doubled in 14 years and now account for nearly 13,000 prisoners. Far from being a homogenous group, some have been born Muslims but many others convert. The number of converts, in the wider U.K. population is about 4% of the Muslim population. In prison, converts make up about 35%.
11% of the prison population is made up of foreign nationals (from 169 countries but mainly from 9 countries) although 3/4 are there for non-violent offences. Women make up 5% of the prisoner numbers but account for 10% of people sentenced. 84% are there for non-violent offences.
The only population were prisoners are down, since 2006 is the under-18’s, down by 70%. Funnily enough, the number of offences committed by under-18’s in that time is demonstrably down by 74% (funny that).
Just a few facts (everyone of them from an official government publication) that explode your theory (which I am sure you believe is 100% correct) that we are putting violent criminals into prison. We are not and we are not helping anyone by following the path we are currently on.
 

Nothing in there that makes me change my mind. What I (think) I know is that he committed a jewellery theft the night before and then killed his accomplice. Then, when he was walking the streets the next day, a woman police officer asked him for ID (I presume she knew who he was). He took her to the floor using a knife and stole her gun. He shot her and three other police officers and then took some hostages before being shot in a shootout with other police. Not sure how any of that comes across as a radicalised terror attack? I might be wrong, there might be some evidence that comes out but to me he seems like a lunatic who knew he was going back to prison anyway.
 
There you go - left and right and as always those on the left hold the wrong view. Not playing your game today I'm out.

Not left and right, just right and wrong. The vast majority of Jihadi terrorist attacks occur in countries who have not bombed anyone and have no semblance of foreign policy. You'd think the fact that this latest attack has occurred in Belgium might be a clue for some people.
 

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