Three dead in Belgium

[worsleyweb]

I suppose you’d know all about nonsense posts. However, the point is that most of them aren’t ‘dangerous criminals’ until they go to jail. Our prison population is rising every year and so is crime. It’s not working and the policy is government policy so I’m unsure as to whom you’d have me blame. Just to show you it is not political bias here are a few facts.
Highest imprisonment rate in Western Europe, prison population up by 82% in the last 30 years.
68000 people sentenced to prison in 2016, 71% of whom had not committed a violent offence. 47% were sentenced to 6 months or less. The average sentence for indictable offences has risen every year since 2007 from 31 months in 2007 to 57 months in 2016. Anyone leaving custody after serving 2 days or more is subject to a minimum 12 month supervision in the community. This change, made in 2015, has led to a 20% increase in people recalled to prison.
The prison system has been overcrowded since 1994 and currently holds 10000 more people than they were designed to do. Over a quarter of the prison population are held in overcrowded cells, almost all doubling up in cells designed for 1. The previous Cameron government committed to building nine new prison, five by 2020.
344 people died in prison last year, the highest number on record. Self inflicted deaths declined every year up to 2011 but are now near record levels and have risen year on year since. Self harm rates are at 471 per 1000 prisoners (almost 1 in 2). Assaults on staff up 88% in last 2 years.
At the same time as all this, HM Prisons and Probation Service has its budget reduced by a quarter. Between 2010-11 and 2014-15 it delivered ‘savings’ of £900M. The ‘cost’ of a prison place reduced by 20% between 2010 and 2016 and it now ONLY costs £35,182 to keep someone locked up for a year. There is a 900 frontline shortfall against benchmark numbers and the Cameron government committed to recruit 2,500 by 2018. They managed 75 last year so it’s not looking likely. Support staff down by 700 means that officers have to do lots more than look after prisoners, such as answering the phone and working the gate.
35000 people were sent to prison on remand and more than half of these were for non-violent offences. 11% of prisoners are on remand and 70% of these are awaiting trial, somare not yet guilty of anything. 10% of remand prisoners were subsequently acquitted and a further 14% got a non-custodial sentence. On average people are on remand for over 10 weeks with more than 25% of self inflicted deaths being people on remand. Remand prisoners get no financial help when they are released, even though their job and career might be over.
Muslim prisoners have more than doubled in 14 years and now account for nearly 13,000 prisoners. Far from being a homogenous group, some have been born Muslims but many others convert. The number of converts, in the wider U.K. population is about 4% of the Muslim population. In prison, converts make up about 35%.
11% of the prison population is made up of foreign nationals (from 169 countries but mainly from 9 countries) although 3/4 are there for non-violent offences. Women make up 5% of the prisoner numbers but account for 10% of people sentenced. 84% are there for non-violent offences.
The only population were prisoners are down, since 2006 is the under-18’s, down by 70%. Funnily enough, the number of offences committed by under-18’s in that time is demonstrably down by 74% (funny that).
Just a few facts (everyone of them from an official government publication) that explode your theory (which I am sure you believe is 100% correct) that we are putting violent criminals into prison. We are not and we are not helping anyone by following the path we are currently on.

WTF!??!

 

[johnnytapia]

Let's stop beating around the bush please. Belgium is a hotbed of radical Islam. This is the result of that. Fuck all to do with anything other than the rise of the virulent strain that plagues Sweden, Belgium, France and certain parts of the UK. Fuck all to do with this war, that war. Everything to do with the abject policy to allow unfettered immigration within Europe - huge swathes of Turks, Moroccans, Libyans, etc, etc allowed to gain the golden ticket - a european passport. And now we see the results. Death. That's their stock trade.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Let's stop beating around the bush please. Belgium is a hotbed of radical Islam. This is the result of that. Fuck all to do with anything other than the rise of the virulent strain that plagues Sweden, Belgium, France and certain parts of the UK. Fuck all to do with this war, that war. Everything to do with the abject policy to allow unfettered immigration within Europe - huge swathes of Turks, Moroccans, Libyans, etc, etc allowed to gain the golden ticket - a european passport. And now we see the results. Death. That's their stock trade.

So you invade and bomb Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya etc and those immigrants that come in an unfettered way are nothing to do with laying waste to their home country and - in their eyes - destroying their future? Then, when the people there and from there get a bit peeved by what has happened and look to radicalise the youngsters they happen upon people who are going to or are already in Belgium, Sweden, France, the US and the UK but of course not because they may be receptive because of the bombings and invasions making it all one big coincidence?

Had there been no action in their home countries they would still have left in swathes and would be coming to Europe with the sole purpose to commit acts of terror because there was no reason for them to be radicalised as their home countries were nice and peaceful ? They are all just killers coming her to "ply their stock in trade?"

 

[Barcon]

Why the fuck is someone serving a 17 year prison sentence allowed out to visit his Gran?

 

[johnnytapia]

So you invade and bomb Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya etc and those immigrants that come in an unfettered way are nothing to do with laying waste to their home country and - in their eyes - destroying their future? Then, when the people there and from there get a bit peeved by what has happened and look to radicalise the youngsters they happen upon people who are going to or are already in Belgium, Sweden, France, the US and the UK but of course not because they may be receptive because of the bombings and invasions making it all one big coincidence?

Had there been no action in their home countries they would still have left in swathes and would be coming to Europe with the sole purpose to commit acts of terror because there was no reason for them to be radicalised as their home countries were nice and peaceful ? They are all just killers coming her to "ply their stock in trade?"

"you invade" - you have no idea who "I" am pal, so spare me your Caliphate love-in, I'm speaking as I see things. You're an apologist for the acts we've seen in Belgium, France and beyond. Great. Happy for you. I'll take my chances with being totally against such barbaric acts in the name of Islam. That's what they are. Fuck all to do with any so-called invasions. The Middle East was a fucking basket case long before Blair and anyone else. Reason? Religion pal. No prizes for guessing which one. Keep your murderous mindset over there, where it's the norm.

 

[bluethrunthru]

"you invade" - you have no idea who "I" am pal, so spare me your Caliphate love-in, I'm speaking as I see things. You're an apologist for the acts we've seen in Belgium, France and beyond. Great. Happy for you. I'll take my chances with being totally against such barbaric acts in the name of Islam. That's what they are. Fuck all to do with any so-called invasions. The Middle East was a fucking basket case long before Blair and anyone else. Reason? Religion pal. No prizes for guessing which one. Keep your murderous mindset over there, where it's the norm.

by you I include me - should have said we?

Beyond that your ignorant mis-informed abusive rant is unwelcome.

Why would you think I am an apologist for anything or anyone? " Over there"? Just out of interest where do you think I am and where are you based?

 

[johnnytapia]

by you I include me - should have said we?

Beyond that your ignorant mis-informed abusive rant is unwelcome.

Why would you think I am an apologist for anything or anyone? " Over there"? Just out of interest where do you think I am and where are you based?

I'm based in the real world. You should try it some time. Take off your hate-filled blinkers and look at the Europe we've become. A place filled with murderous intent. And it ain't the Buddhists doing the murdering. Cue response about how a Swedish helicopter once landed in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and how the Swedes now deserve the no-go zones populated by the Islamist fanaticals. And how the good folk of Manchester deserved the bombing a year ago. We brought it on ourselves. Aye, course we did. Nighty night, don't let the truth bite.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I'm based in the real world. You should try it some time. Take off your hate-filled blinkers and look at the Europe we've become. A place filled with murderous intent. And it ain't the Buddhists doing the murdering. Cue response about how a Swedish helicopter once landed in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and how the Swedes now deserve the no-go zones populated by the Islamist fanaticals. And how the good folk of Manchester deserved the bombing a year ago. We brought it on ourselves. Aye, course we did. Nighty night, don't let the truth bite.

won't answer? Very brave of you. Proper keyboard warrior response.

FYI I am in North Yorkshire. Sleep well and I hope your personal bogeyman doesn't wake you

 

[Fame Monster]

So you invade and bomb Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya etc and those immigrants that come in an unfettered way are nothing to do with laying waste to their home country and - in their eyes - destroying their future? Then, when the people there and from there get a bit peeved by what has happened and look to radicalise the youngsters they happen upon people who are going to or are already in Belgium, Sweden, France, the US and the UK but of course not because they may be receptive because of the bombings and invasions making it all one big coincidence?

Had there been no action in their home countries they would still have left in swathes and would be coming to Europe with the sole purpose to commit acts of terror because there was no reason for them to be radicalised as their home countries were nice and peaceful ? They are all just killers coming her to "ply their stock in trade?"

Not sure I really want to indulge an Islamist apologist but what did the UK do to deserve the Manchester bomb?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Not sure I really want to indulge an Islamist apologist but what did the UK do to deserve the Manchester bomb?

I am not an Islamist apologist - if you can support that outrageous allegation please do.

Manchester - as part of the UK - became a target of radicalised Islamists who want to attack the west which they see as a colonialist and a non-islamic country ( various people will have various reasons along both lines). To suggest that the involvement of the UK and other coalition forces in the Middle East since say Desert Storm in 1991 all the way through to today is not being used against the UK populace by those who seek to radicalise mostly young muslim men who then visit terror attacks on us is to hide your head in the sand. To deny that involvement in the Arab world has no contributory factor to the attacks all across Europe is naive in the extreme. Our involvement there is also part of the reason for people fleeing en mass from those countries to what they see as a safe haven in the EU.