Tino Livramento

Is Livramento even that good? I’ve watched, at a guess, two dozen games where he’s played and never really noticed anything particularly great about him.

Didn’t think he was shite or owt but didn’t think he was anything more than steady, with a bit of pace.
Think he's a good player and would do okay for us but outstanding ,probably not. I think we've probably decided he isn't making us £80 mill plus better,if we could even get him for that. We probabably decided to wait until next summer when we will have more room to look further afeild for a better fit.Rebuild for the longer term,not just this season,like we did previously.
 
That’s logical. Kyle Walker was expensive and turned out well, so must Livramento. Let’s pay £100m for him and he’ll be even better

Lol.

The point is, relatively in comparison to some of the fees paid for some pretty damn average players (Philips, Nunes, Mendy etc) it isn't actually an expensive transfer nowadays when you factor in his age, homegrown and future value.
 
Is Livramento even that good? I’ve watched, at a guess, two dozen games where he’s played and never really noticed anything particularly great about him.

Didn’t think he was shite or owt but didn’t think he was anything more than steady, with a bit of pace.
Sometimes, the players who go about their business quietly & efficiently are the foundation on which everything is built.

Opposition fans always looked toward our superstars as the ones who made City, City. However, most City fans pointed to the likes of Fernandinho or Rodri, as the glue that gelled everything together. Remove that, & everything else falls apart as we saw last season & in the CL Final against Chelsea.

Gold doesn't always glitter...
 
There's no such thing as a guarantee life, only educated guesses you hope will turn out to be correct. Livramento is a first choice full back for a CL team. He's a talented 22 year old & a full England international. In this respect he ticks all the boxes, plus he helps our HG quota, & you call him a "prospect"?

No one's saying he's the best RB in the UK, Europe or the world. As things stand & for what City need right now, I can't think of a better option.

You mention Nunes & Lewis. Nunes has done enough to earn a reprieve imo, but I don't believe a midfielder who Pep said didn't have the intelligence to play in his specialist position, should be our best option to rely upon "to do a job" for the season.

No doubt Nunes "can do a job" against mid-lower table opposition & against low ranking teams in the CL. However, when faced with elite opposition, that's when he'll probably be found out as we've seen.

We're Manchester City, & I've had enough of Pep's small squad "can do a job" philosophy, especially as on the other hand he constantly complains about the increasing game time demands being placed on footballers. He can't have it both ways.

When you factor in the faster, & more physical way football has changed recently, it comes as no surprise that our small, elite but ageing squad creaked, broke & spluttered to a grinding halt last season.

Lewis is a decent young RB who at 20 has years ahead of him. He's disadvantaged because of his diminutive size, hence him sometimes struggling against big units who know they can push him around.

From the evidence I've seen, Lewis' future is in midfield where his intelligence on the ball excels. He can also "do a job" at RB against mid-lower league opposition, but against the elite, he like Nunes will struggle.

Both Stones & Akanji "can do a job" at RB if pressed into action. However, both are part of our ageing elite, neither are specialist RB's, & both have had recent injury problems, Stones in particular.

We also need to clear the decks. Our squad is bloated & Pep has repeatedly expressed his preference for a small elite squad. Conversely & more importantly, during one of Bernardo's first interviews as captain during the CWC, he said the players preferred having a bigger squad as it gives everyone time to play, rotate & rest.

Something is at odds here, as there's no way Bernardo said that in public, if it's not how the squad feel internally.

We spent significant sums during the winter window & this one, on bringing in younger reinforcements, only for reports to emerge over the last 48 hours that "the club" (probably Pep) feels that changing the squad too much isn't for the best.

With that being the case, why spend what we have (which bloated the squad), to only then look to loan out the new younger players, who were mostly playing first team football before they arrived? This doesn't come across as City looking to the future. It smacks of the here & now, & Pep thinking of the next two years of his contract & not City's long-term future.

As for Livramento, I don't look at him as an £80m "prospect". I see him as a very highly rated £8m per season Etihad mainstay, over the next decade or so. That is how best to view a long-term investment, much like people do with getting a mortgage to buy a house.

As for the squad & how things stand regarding Livramento or buying a foreign RB to fill a gaping hole in our squad, I agree with the following video I watched yesterday. Many seasoned City fans are concerned about our right back situation, & with good reason too IMHO...


As for Livramento, I don't look at him as an £80m "prospect". I see him as a very highly rated £8m per season Etihad mainstay, over the next decade or so. That is how best to view a long-term investment, much like people do with getting a mortgage to buy a house.

Assuming he is good enough with that bit
 
As for Livramento, I don't look at him as an £80m "prospect". I see him as a very highly rated £8m per season Etihad mainstay, over the next decade or so. That is how best to view a long-term investment, much like people do with getting a mortgage to buy a house.

Assuming he is good enough with that bit
I like what I see from Livramento, but he carries a risk as do all players. I'm old enough to remember current world player of the year "Plodri". Most wanted him sold before he'd completed his first season.
 
Sometimes, the players who go about their business quietly & efficiently are the foundation on which everything is built.

Opposition fans always looked toward our superstars as the ones who made City, City. However, most City fans pointed to the likes of Fernandinho or Rodri, as the glue that gelled everything together. Remove that, & everything else falls apart as we saw last season & in the CL Final against Chelsea.

Gold doesn't always glitter...
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Lol.

The point is, relatively in comparison to some of the fees paid for some pretty damn average players (Philips, Nunes, Mendy etc) it isn't actually an expensive transfer nowadays when you factor in his age, homegrown and future value.
For £80m, that’s a huge sum for a full back, would you seriously not expect more than 2 goal contributions in 2 seasons playing in an attacking Newcastle side? That’s a pathetic return, one goal and one assist in two full seasons
 
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Exactly! Real & PSG have both tried the Harlem Globetrotters Galactico route & it didn't guarantee success. It's about having a blend of dependable water-carriers & explosive magicians.

Imagine having Foden & Cherki interchanging down our right, backed by Livramento in defence. You have the flair & the insurance. That's what I'd like to see at City.

Added to the chaos of Doku on the left, with RAN under/overlapping, with Guéhi & Gvardiol in Central defence, with Rodri & Reijnders & Haaland up top, that's a potential PL winning team.

Added to Bernardo, Gonzalez, Moose, Bobb, Savinho, O'Reilly, Lewis, Khusanov, Reis, Bah & James Etihad etc, & with a couple more incomings & moving on the old guard, this could be our future for 2026/27.

I'd even forego another season without silverware to allow this lot to bed in, gel & become a serious unit. Considering the moves Liverpool, Arsenal & Chelsea ae making, we need to up our game.

We gave away our squad advantage after not improving after the treble. We can't allow this continue by stymying the progress of the players who'll form the foundation of our future, as Pep tries to get one last tune out of his tried & tested, but ageing & increasingly injury plagued treble winners.
 
We need a specialist right back. Someone who'll give the world's elite players something to think about. As things stand, that won't be Nunes.

Livramento would be a decade long investment. In the big scheme of things, £8m per season over the next 10 years is nothing in comparison to the positive advantages Tino would add to our squad.

City baulking at £80m for Livramento makes little to no sense to me. As someone remarked yesterday, what's the point of our January & summer acquisitions, only for us to stop at the final hurdle?

We need to stop the penny pinching & complete this phase of our squad rebuild, which should've started immediately after the treble. This level of petty messing around is what led us from having by far the strongest squad in world football 2 years ago, to winning fuck all last season & almost being relegated from the CL in the process.

If our squad wasn't such a mess last season, why did we buy so many players in the 2025 winter & summer windows? Get Livramento, dispense with the deadwood, & then we can concentrate on rebuilding our squad to dominate for the next decade. It's that simple...
What a load of nonsense

He's a decent right back, the club can't be called penny pinching fkr wanting to spend a kings ransom on a decent player

You cant say Nunes isnt elite and then Livramento is, how is he elite? What's he elite at?

As someone mentioned, hes comparable to Wan-Bissaka in how he plays

How did that fare for United?

£80mil is 100% not a price to be taken lightly even if we have the money for it, that's not what long term planning is

Long term planning is getting Cherki, Reijnders and Ait Nouri, 3 in their prime or in Cherkis case not even close for around £100mil

If Livramento wasn't English he'd cost us £25mil/£30mil based on last year
 
What a load of nonsense

He's a decent right back, the club can't be called penny pinching fkr wanting to spend a kings ransom on a decent player

You cant say Nunes isnt elite and then Livramento is, how is he elite? What's he elite at?

As someone mentioned, hes comparable to Wan-Bissaka in how he plays

How did that fare for United?

£80mil is 100% not a price to be taken lightly even if we have the money for it, that's not what long term planning is

Long term planning is getting Cherki, Reijnders and Ait Nouri, 3 in their prime or in Cherkis case not even close for around £100mil

If Livramento wasn't English he'd cost us £25mil/£30mil based on last year
We need a blend of dependable solidity to go with our flair. Add in Livramento's age & that he's an England international with more headroom to improve further, then of course he'd be a long-term investment who'd tick the HG box too.

ManUre are a basket case, & over the last decade, Old Toilet is the place where talent & careers go to die. We wanted Sanchez, Maguire, Fred & others who ended up at the Theatre of Nightmares. We wouldn't have been interested if they were shit, so I don't get your point in comparing both clubs.

We reportedly value Tino at £50m & Newcastle value him at £80m. £65m plus add-ons seems a fair starting point for negotiations for a player who can fill a problem position with us for years to come.

Yes Nunes has improved his usefulness to us as a RB, but the thought of him against Vini Jnr or Mbappé give me the sweats. On top of that, what happens if Nunes gets an early season ending injury like Rodri did? What then? Lewis, Akanji & Stones for the season? Really?

There's no need if we act proactively now. As someone calculated, with what we've spent in this window so far, & what we could potentially raise with outgoings, we'd have only spent £90m of a reported £250m transfer kitty. We've room to further strengthen in our one remaining weak spot. Why wouldn't/shouldn't we do this?
 
We need a blend of dependable solidity to go with our flair. Add in Livramento's age & that he's an England international with more headroom to improve further, then of course he'd be a long-term investment who'd tick the HG box too.

ManUre are a basket case, & over the last decade, Old Toilet is the place where talent & careers go to die. We wanted Sanchez, Maguire, Fred & others who ended up at the Theatre of Nightmares. We wouldn't have been interested if they were shit, so I don't get your point in comparing both clubs.

We reportedly value Tino at £50m & Newcastle value him at £80m. £65m plus add-ons seems a fair starting point for negotiations for a player who can fill a problem position with us for years to come.

Yes Nunes has improved his usefulness to us as a RB, but the thought of him against Vini Jnr or Mbappé give me the sweats. On top of that, what happens if Nunes gets an early season ending injury like Rodri did? What then? Lewis, Akanji & Stones for the season? Really?

There's no need if we act proactively now. As someone calculated, with what we've spent in this window so far, & what we could potentially raise with outgoings, we'd have only spent £90m of a reported £250m transfer kitty. We've room to further strengthen in our one remaining weak spot. Why wouldn't/shouldn't we do this?
But thats like saying Doku is a 10 year investment...even though maybe hes not shown hes as good as we thought and maybe we overspent and in a year or 2, we might want to replace

Livramento hasn't shown the form you are talking about, you are assuming hes going to get there but real football, not FIFA etc. Isn't like that, progression isnt linear

£50mil to £80mil is a 60% increase on what we value him at, and given Newcastle stance on Isak who literally gone on strike I doubt they're budging much if they arent on Isak. If hes deemed too expensive then that's it.

The thought of Livramento up against Mbappe etc. Doesn't fill me with cconfidence either, nor does Livramento against a low block which 95% of the time we come up against as hes limited offensively

Livramento is much more a injury risk then Nunes, and id say Nunes is the better athlete in his pace and stamina, with a much better cross

I want Livramento, dont get me wrong, but calling the club out for now paying a ridiculous fee for a player can't be called penny pinching

And looking at his one particular signing as a lack of rebuild is just idiotic given how we've planned for the future and plug gaps i nthe squad with Cherki, Trafford, Reijnders, Ait Nouri, Marmoush, Khusanov, Nico, Reis etc.

We cant buy them all
 
Vanderson, Nunes, Hakimi, Santos and Livramento.

Impressed with Vanderson's metrics. Stacks up against Hakimi's. Livramento arguably the worst on the list, by some distance.
 

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What a load of nonsense

He's a decent right back, the club can't be called penny pinching fkr wanting to spend a kings ransom on a decent player

You cant say Nunes isnt elite and then Livramento is, how is he elite? What's he elite at?

As someone mentioned, hes comparable to Wan-Bissaka in how he plays

How did that fare for United?

£80mil is 100% not a price to be taken lightly even if we have the money for it, that's not what long term planning is

Long term planning is getting Cherki, Reijnders and Ait Nouri, 3 in their prime or in Cherkis case not even close for around £100mil

If Livramento wasn't English he'd cost us £25mil/£30mil based on last year
He’s not comparable to Wan Bissaka other than being a very good one v one defender. Bissaka on the ball made Walker look like Cafu. Livramento is already much better on the ball than Walker ever was. People are missing how good he is on the ball because they just look at his lack of assists
 
What I see is a young England international who fills our HG quota, has huge headroom to improve further & who can also cover the left back position.

Combined with an improved Nunes, we'll be covered in the RB position for the next 5 - 10 years, with the option to upgrade either player if deemed necessary.

Let's say we didn't get Livramento & the worst was to happen & Nunes got a season ending injury like Rodri did. What & who then?
Pep would fill the gap with Akanji, Stones, Lewis and Khusanov in all likelihood.

The best thing about Livramento is his ability to play both sides.

There’s another young international that could help fill our HG quota. Mainoo anyone?
 
I`ll be that guy again ;-)

Ederson
Vanderson
Dias
Gvardiol
Ait Nouri
Rodri
Reijnders
Cherki
Foden
Marmoush
Haaland

That would be so much fun! Doku, Savio, Bobb etc on the bench as well.
 
Lol.

The point is, relatively in comparison to some of the fees paid for some pretty damn average players (Philips, Nunes, Mendy etc) it isn't actually an expensive transfer nowadays when you factor in his age, homegrown and future value.
You mean in comparison to the mistakes. Don’t think those should be the benchmark for judging a transfers worth. Liveramento is a solid defender and the HG status will always add a premium but it’s hugely expensive for a full back. Not sure the club think he is the difference between winning and not winning. We have left ourselves with little manouverabilty this summer and think we will choose to wait till next.
 

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