Tippy Tappy

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Some very good points raised on here but we did rely too much on "tippy tappy" cat n' mouse, predictable build up play that was too often thwarted in the final third. Either that or we collectively pondered too long, looking to work a perfect slide rule pass or a sublime moment of trickery, which is good to watch but perhaps frustrating when the chance to shoot is squandered or closed down by opposition defence, for like I say the final perfect team build up killer pass to score 'that' well worked aesthetically pleasing goal.

I think Silva is a great player but he needed to shoot on sight more last season as he did when we won the league. With him Nasri and Aguero, we had more pretty triangles going on in a game than the bloody Dairylea factory!.. At least Tevez and Milner tried to be direct.

We have played some good incisive passing moves but all too often there has been no end product and as a consequence, this was one of the main factors on conceding the league IMO.

I can see where you're coming from, but I think there's something fundamental that the "Tippy Tappy" haters always overlook. By playing that way, we regularly enjoy 65% possession. Playing more direct / shooting on site may produce more low quality shots at goal, but in no way guarantees more goals.

What it does guarantee though is less control of possession, and the game. If we didn't keep the ball so well, think what we would be doing? Defending.

I'd much rather us have control of the ball for long spells and be "fucking about with it" as others have put, rather than on the back foot defending, because that's what you are doing when you don't have possession.

I hear what you're saying mate but we had the quality to have really punished teams early and we did not take our chances to it in so many games. We should of finished many teams off(especially at home) by going for a second, even third goal when we had the possession and chances on goal to. Instead we seemed to score first and try and sit on it, a complete contrast to our title winning season. It was if Mancini was trying to score first and not concede a goal at any cost. Why did he employ 2 DM's in home games when we had the offensive quality to score a bagful? I think his negativity last season, plus a predictable lethargic one paced build up play style devoid of pace or width with no plan B, helped considerably in him being sacked. He simply became to cautious and negative in the end.... I hope Pellegrini can fine tune the squad to deliver fast raiding football what we all know they are capable of doing next season.

 

[johnbmcr]

did any posters see the spanish U21s v Italy tonight an object lesson in

in how to play great football if thats where MCFC are heading thats great news
Tippy Tappy gets my vote

I won't mention the england U21 under totally outclassed and not a great advert for our coaching and technical training ironic they were coached by a former city manager

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Aye Spanish U21's create more chances than the main team.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Some very good points raised on here but we did rely too much on "tippy tappy" cat n' mouse, predictable build up play that was too often thwarted in the final third. Either that or we collectively pondered too long, looking to work a perfect slide rule pass or a sublime moment of trickery, which is good to watch but perhaps frustrating when the chance to shoot is squandered or closed down by opposition defence, for like I say the final perfect team build up killer pass to score 'that' well worked aesthetically pleasing goal.

I think Silva is a great player but he needed to shoot on sight more last season as he did when we won the league. With him Nasri and Aguero, we had more pretty triangles going on in a game than the bloody Dairylea factory!.. At least Tevez and Milner tried to be direct.

We have played some good incisive passing moves but all too often there has been no end product and as a consequence, this was one of the main factors on conceding the league IMO.

I can see where you're coming from, but I think there's something fundamental that the "Tippy Tappy" haters always overlook. By playing that way, we regularly enjoy 65% possession. Playing more direct / shooting on site may produce more low quality shots at goal, but in no way guarantees more goals.

What it does guarantee though is less control of possession, and the game. If we didn't keep the ball so well, think what we would be doing? Defending.

I'd much rather us have control of the ball for long spells and be "fucking about with it" as others have put, rather than on the back foot defending, because that's what you are doing when you don't have possession.

I hear what you're saying mate but we had the quality to have really punished teams early and we did not take our chances to it in so many games. We should of finished many teams off(especially at home) by going for a second, even third goal when we had the possession and chances on goal to. Instead we seemed to score first and try and sit on it, a complete contrast to our title winning season. It was if Mancini was trying to score first and not concede a goal at any cost. Why did he employ 2 DM's in home games when we had the offensive quality to score a bagful? I think his negativity last season, plus a predictable lethargic one paced build up play style devoid of pace or width with no plan B, helped considerably in him being sacked. He simply became to cautious and negative in the end.... I hope Pellegrini can fine tune the squad to deliver fast raiding football what we all know they are capable of doing next season.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. However, I think there's a misconception with some people that it's a choice between playing possession football and playing at a high tempo. You can absolutely do both, and City, Barca and Spain are all at their best when they play like that.

We do need to play at a higher tempo, both with and without the ball, but I certainly don't want us to go back to the old fashioned direct ball in to the channels like The Shite. It's football from the dark ages.

I hope our kids learn to be comfortable on the ball and pass teams to death. As other posters have said, just like the Spanish under 21s. I've been astonished by how good they've been, and I think they'd finish 5th at worst it they were in the PL.

 

[cityisOURS]

Despite being (in my opinion) our best two players last season, Zabaleta and Clichy were the problem offensively. Yes, they have the stamina and are up and down tirelessly but neither are good enough in an attacking sense (especially with their crossing) and if we're playing a possesion or 'tippy tappy' style of football at times you need to look to your full backs to provide width and unlock the oppositions defense.

Of course, a full back who can both defend and attack to a high standard are extremely hard to find.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

For the last 12 months I've seen the phrase "Tippy Tappy" used on here with increasing regularity.

From what I can gather, it is basically a condescending phrase for players / teams who pass to feet.

It's the same posters who used to ask "does he track back?" before that phrase became a parody of itself.

It's 2013. Possession, passing to feet football is the way the game is played by the vast majority of the top teams. If you want to watch direct football, go to The Swamp. Or The Britannia. Or the 1980s.

Bloody hate it. It's called Tiki-taka! When someone says tippy tappy they sound like dullards.<br /><br />-- Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:08 am --<br /><br />

Aye Spanish U21's create more chances than the main team.

They play against far inferior teams. You can't really compare the two teams stats-wise.

 

[TueartsOHK]

How ironic, haha!!

Making assumptions based on a forum because you got made to look stupid, priceless.

How have I looked stupid fatbloke? You can't understand the table for what it was - plenty of other people on Blue Moon have understood it (read the thread).

Then when you realise you've made yourself look a twat you start going on about "it doesn't mention goals conceded" when it was never claimed it did. Fucking laughable

My original statement was: The difference column shows the gap between the number of points won from goals only in open play and what we would have won from goals from set play also. This is exactly what it shows. For example Spurs acheived nothing from goals in set play.
I also said: This shows how little we produced from set plays last season - indeed the difference in points was 3. This is exactly what is shows

I ask if you're a teenager as it would explain the maturity you're showing on here regarding this. I contradicted your original post but I also said that on the whole I agreed with it - did this upset you?

Can the pair of you just cut out the point scoring because it's spoiling the thread for others?

If it continues then we'll just have to pull the thread

Thanks!

I agree Danamy - I'd tried to drop this subject earlier in the thread. Apologies to everyone else on here for spoiling the thread with this pointless argument.

 

[TueartsOHK]

Despite being (in my opinion) our best two players last season, Zabaleta and Clichy were the problem offensively. Yes, they have the stamina and are up and down tirelessly but neither are good enough in an attacking sense (especially with their crossing) and if we're playing a possesion or 'tippy tappy' style of football at times you need to look to your full backs to provide width and unlock the oppositions defense.

Of course, a full back who can both defend and attack to a high standard are extremely hard to find.

I think under Mancini we relied on a wing back system without really having wing backs. I think both players are amongst the top Premiership full backs but neither are up to the job of providing the width we need in terms of crossing quality.
Defenders can do this -the likes of a Baines or Ashley Cole are (as you say) are now difficult to come by.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

For the last 12 months I've seen the phrase "Tippy Tappy" used on here with increasing regularity.

From what I can gather, it is basically a condescending phrase for players / teams who pass to feet.

It's the same posters who used to ask "does he track back?" before that phrase became a parody of itself.

It's 2013. Possession, passing to feet football is the way the game is played by the vast majority of the top teams. If you want to watch direct football, go to The Swamp. Or The Britannia. Or the 1980s.

Bloody hate it. It's called Tiki-taka! When someone says tippy tappy they sound like dullards.

-- Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:08 am --

Aye Spanish U21's create more chances than the main team.

They play against far inferior teams. You can't really compare the two teams stats-wise.

Regarding your second response, that may be so but what cannot be denied is that Spain, at all levels, reign supreme and it has been this way for a number of years now. That suggests they are getting it right somewhere.

 

[Gabriel]

While we have played possession football for the last couple of seasons, we're not quite at the tiki taka level yet. There is a lovely analysis video on YouTube of what constitutes tiki taka, and one key component is not putting rotation on the ball. I take this to mean that the ball is passed flat and rarely ever with swerve or lifted off the surface. Tiki taka also demands continual movement off the ball, and some of our midfielders have become conditioned to pass and watch.