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[fatbloke]

The amount of goals we score from open play is irrelevant to the amount of goals we score from set pieces, fool.

Or to put an alternative spin on the stats, we score the least amount of goals from open play in the top 5.

fool? I know you're fatbloke but I didn't realise you were Ba Baracus!

The above table surely implies that City would have won the league by 3 pts if only goals from open play counted. That means that the team that actually finished above us won more points based on goals from both set plays and open play.

You're just proving my point further by keeping this debate going, carry on...

The table fails to show the amount of goals scored from set pieces, it also fails to show the amount goals conceded from set pieces and the correlation between the two which ultimately affect the league positions. This table isn't based on GOALS SCORED only, which makes your argument and these stats completely irrelevant.

What it does prove is that we score the least amount of goals from open play in the Top 5!!!

 

[TueartsOHK]

You're just proving my point further by keeping this debate going, carry on...

The table fails to show the amount of goals scored from set pieces, it also fails to show the amount goals conceded from set pieces and the correlation between the two which ultimately affect the league positions. This table isn't based on GOALS SCORED only, which makes your argument and these stats completely irrelevant.

What it does prove is that we score the least amount of goals from open play in the Top 5!!!

This is the original thread which hopefully will explain:

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=284976

I agree the table does not show the number of goals from set pieces but it shows the difference in points that would have been achieved if goals from set pieces were included. For instance United would have lost 21 points if only goals in open play counted. To City we would have only have had a difference of 3 points and as you rightly say our goals in open play were low anyway compared to the top 4 teams.

You can clearly see from this Man United accumulated 21 points based on goals from set pieces. It's not an exact indicator of who scored what but it clearly shows who relied on set pieces for points and we didn't - but the team that did won the league. This might say more about United being cheating bastards or perhaps we don't go down often enough

 

[fatbloke]

You're just proving my point further by keeping this debate going, carry on...

The table fails to show the amount of goals scored from set pieces, it also fails to show the amount goals conceded from set pieces and the correlation between the two which ultimately affect the league positions. This table isn't based on GOALS SCORED only, which makes your argument and these stats completely irrelevant.

What it does prove is that we score the least amount of goals from open play in the Top 5!!!

This is the original thread which hopefully will explain:

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=284976

I agree the table does not show the number of goals from set pieces but it shows the difference in points that would have been achieved if goals from set pieces were included. For instance United would have lost 21 points if only goals in open play counted. To City we would have only have had a difference of 3 points and as you rightly say our goals in open play were low anyway compared to the top 4 teams.

You can clearly see from this Man United accumulated 21 points based on goals from set pieces. It's not an exact indicator of who scored what but it clearly shows who relied on set pieces for points and we didn't - but the team that did won the league. This might say more about United being cheating bastards or perhaps we don't go down often enough

Again, you're completely failing to take into consideration GOALS CONCEDED from set pieces which affects league positions/points/goals difference in this table and makes your argument irrelevant.

PS... I agree with your last sentence.

 

[TueartsOHK]

Again, you're completely failing to take into consideration GOALS CONCEDED from set pieces which affects league positions/points/goals difference in this table and makes your argument irrelevant.

PS... I agree with your last sentence.

For fucks sake mate let it go. It was a table posted on another thread purely to show the connection between goals scored in open play/set play and the resulting points tally. I never claimed it showed goals conceded - it was posted because other people had found it being relevant to the set piece argument . If you can't understand the relevance of the table (which clearly other people could) ignore it - I'm not really interested in scoring points here

 

[Blue Elmo]

Passing to feet is all well and good and I think we have got it down to a tee. There are times though when it can be too intricate and we make it harder for ourselves, and against the teams who will sit and defend, it will be difficult. But adding the likes of Isco and Navas can only help the tikka talks style of play

 

[fatbloke]

Again, you're completely failing to take into consideration GOALS CONCEDED from set pieces which affects league positions/points/goals difference in this table and makes your argument irrelevant.

PS... I agree with your last sentence.

For fucks sake mate let it go. It was a table posted on another thread purely to show the connection between goals scored in open play/set play and the resulting points tally. I never claimed it showed goals conceded - it was posted because other people had found it being relevant to the set piece argument . If you can't understand the relevance of the table (which clearly other people could) ignore it - I'm not really interested in scoring points here

Neither am I but last time I looked this is a forum for discussion, if you didn't want a reply then you shouldn't have posted.

 

[TueartsOHK]

Again, you're completely failing to take into consideration GOALS CONCEDED from set pieces which affects league positions/points/goals difference in this table and makes your argument irrelevant.

PS... I agree with your last sentence.

For fucks sake mate let it go. It was a table posted on another thread purely to show the connection between goals scored in open play/set play and the resulting points tally. I never claimed it showed goals conceded - it was posted because other people had found it being relevant to the set piece argument . If you can't understand the relevance of the table (which clearly other people could) ignore it - I'm not really interested in scoring points here

Neither am I but last time I looked this is a forum for discussion, if you didn't want a reply then you shouldn't have posted.

Are you a teenager fatbloke?

 

[fatbloke]

For fucks sake mate let it go. It was a table posted on another thread purely to show the connection between goals scored in open play/set play and the resulting points tally. I never claimed it showed goals conceded - it was posted because other people had found it being relevant to the set piece argument . If you can't understand the relevance of the table (which clearly other people could) ignore it - I'm not really interested in scoring points here

Neither am I but last time I looked this is a forum for discussion, if you didn't want a reply then you shouldn't have posted.

Are you a teenager fatbloke?

How ironic, haha!!

Making assumptions based on a forum because you got made to look stupid, priceless.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Passing to feet is all well and good and I think we have got it down to a tee. There are times though when it can be too intricate and we make it harder for ourselves, and against the teams who will sit and defend, it will be difficult. But adding the likes of Isco and Navas can only help the tikka talks style of play

Back on topic, I agree, I think teams figured us out a bit last year and came and sat deep and narrow against us. Because we had no width it made it hard to break them down.

In Europe, Dortmund and Madrid pressed us really high up the pitch, and because we had very little pace in midfield / up front we we unable to hit them quickly on the break and force them back.

I think Navas solves both of these problems wonderfully. I don't think he will start every game, but as a plan B to offer us width / pace on the counter, he's a brilliant signing.

 

[TueartsOHK]

How ironic, haha!!

Making assumptions based on a forum because you got made to look stupid, priceless.

How have I looked stupid fatbloke? You can't understand the table for what it was - plenty of other people on Blue Moon have understood it (read the thread).

Then when you realise you've made yourself look a twat you start going on about "it doesn't mention goals conceded" when it was never claimed it did. Fucking laughable

My original statement was: The difference column shows the gap between the number of points won from goals only in open play and what we would have won from goals from set play also. This is exactly what it shows. For example Spurs acheived nothing from goals in set play.
I also said: This shows how little we produced from set plays last season - indeed the difference in points was 3. This is exactly what is shows

I ask if you're a teenager as it would explain the maturity you're showing on here regarding this. I contradicted your original post but I also said that on the whole I agreed with it - did this upset you?