Today's shooting in America thread

Magicpole said:
I know that it's a great place and fortunately has more decent people, my point is 74m voted for Trump. That is my point, half the country is fucking deplorable. They tried insurrection. I think that sums them up.
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I think - as an American - that it's not quite as bad as you suggest.

Although 74m voted for Trump, I think that - perhaps - 30m or so are die-hard Trumpers. The rest, dislike Trump, held their noses, and then voted for the conservative policies he's advanced.

Following the Capitol invasion, indications are that Trump's erstwhile 74m support has eroded.
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And yet... there is an element of truth to what you state. I'd hate to live in a rural US setting. Guns and concealed carry everywhere - probably below-the-surface racism - almost certainly religious fanaticism, either openly or a strong undercurrent thereof (believe in God and furthermore in our Church or you're an outsider).
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But is this sort of thing (I guess other than the prevalence of guns) unique to the USA?

I rather think not - right-wing nationalist/populist movements are typical across the globe.
 
Magicpole said:
No he didn't. Biden has been in charge with more jobs created. He didn't create them either. Tell that to the steelworkers who he promised he would build three new plants. The miners the same, infrastructure not a thing done. Without socialist payments to farmers of billions due to his disastrous trade war with China they would be fucked too. . Even the Stock Market is higher. The only tangible wealth increase he was responsible for was tax cuts for him and the other top 5% of the richest. He created fuck all and if Biden doesn't sort Trumps moronic foreign policy, they will lose even more trade. Fortunately there are grown ups now running the place, instead of a moronic rapist and traitor.
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Well I'm not biting into a debate about Trump's economic record, were bang off topic anyway.

It's weird though, if you're right and he was so bad for the economy how all those blue collar families wanted him for another 4 years, 74 million of them in fact. Including farmers.

Anyway, I'm not defending Trump, I don't live there and don't really know (I didn't bring him up) just saying what my American freinds tell me.
Be interesting to hear @idahoblues view is on this. He does live there and him being a builder should have a good grasp on things economic.
 
Bill Walker said:
Well I'm not biting into a debate about Trump's economic record, were bang off topic anyway.

It's weird though, if you're right and he was so bad for the economy how all those blue collar families wanted him for another 4 years, 74 million of them in fact. Including farmers.

Anyway, I'm not defending Trump, I don't live there and don't really know (I didn't bring him up) just saying what my American freinds tell me.
Be interesting to hear @idahoblues view is on this. He does live there and him being a builder should have a good grasp on things economic.
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Trump appealed to their sense of losing their identity in a country whose demographics are radically changing, with projections that European origin people will be in the minority in a decade or so. Immigration stopping, or slowing, immigration from countries like Norway he said was better. Anti Muslim fears stoked. Mexican fears stoked. Every fear they have, he illuminated. It wasn't economics, although he promised the earth, he's a lying **** and delivered not a single promise to them. Brexit here used the same death and scapegoating of the other as the reason things are shit. It worked here too. We are left without a change though, America have a chance to change. We don't, when I say we, I mean you.
 
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