Tories have lost the vote of the young generation.

[vonkeynotvenky]

Considering the amount of people that go to university in this country something isn't working when we have to import so many of them to fill the gaps.

 

[mccity]

I was talking in general not you personally, I hope the experience was worthwhile and you are bringing home your wages in a wheel barrow.

Haha I don't want that! I'd have Inland Revenue all over me!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

"If you're not a socialist by the time you're twenty, you haven't got a heart; and if you aren't a capitalist by the time you're thirty, you haven't got a brain."

 

[DelToro]

"If you're not a socialist by the time you're twenty, you haven't got a heart; and if you aren't a capitalist by the time you're thirty, you haven't got a brain."

That's what is most depressing about Young Conservatives.

They've deliberately skipped adolescence, sex and drugs and gone straight to mortgages and pin striped suits.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Considering the amount of people that go to university in this country something isn't working when we have to import so many of them to fill the gaps.

Ask the government. When I was in university, teaching was still on a bursary, with key subjects being offered an additional incentive called a Golden Hello. Nowadays, if you want to become a teacher, you have to take a loan like everyone else, and the job itself has become less attractive too, to the point where almost a third quit within 5 years of qualifying. In Finland, they get 10 applications for every person accepted onto a teaching course, and surprise surprise, they have the highest standards of education in Europe.

I get the argument that the government shouldn't fund someone doing a media studies degree (although most people I know who did film and TV studies now work in TV over 10 years later, so it's bullshit to call it useless), but surely if someone wants to become a nurse or a teacher, we should be fully funding their training throughout in the same way we do for the police? It's all well and good arguing "Why should I pay when the degree holder is the only one that benefits?" but it's not as if doctors, nurses and teachers don't come out of training in shitloads of debt too (far more, in the case of the first two).

It's been a while since I checked, so it's possible they've fucked over trainee police officers in that time too.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

but surely if someone wants to become a nurse or a teacher, we should be fully funding their training throughout in the same way we do for the police?

I agree with you mate nobody should have a problem with that, it would improve us as a society no end.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Ask the government. When I was in university, teaching was still on a bursary, with key subjects being offered an additional incentive called a Golden Hello. Nowadays, if you want to become a teacher, you have to take a loan like everyone else, and the job itself has become less attractive too, to the point where almost a third quit within 5 years of qualifying. In Finland, they get 10 applications for every person accepted onto a teaching course, and surprise surprise, they have the highest standards of education in Europe.

I get the argument that the government shouldn't fund someone doing a media studies degree (although most people I know who did film and TV studies now work in TV over 10 years later, so it's bullshit to call it useless), but surely if someone wants to become a nurse or a teacher, we should be fully funding their training throughout in the same way we do for the police? It's all well and good arguing "Why should I pay when the degree holder is the only one that benefits?" but it's not as if doctors, nurses and teachers don't come out of training in shitloads of debt too (far more, in the case of the first two).

It's been a while since I checked, so it's possible they've fucked over trainee police officers in that time too.

It has to be said that were there no graduates the UK wouldn't be where it is today..... well it would be ... businesses would just have employed graduates from overseas.

I never get this idea that people put forward why should they contribute to anything coz they don't use it - selfish and narrow minded - educated people make a country a better place for starters. Anyway how would they like it when the doctor they hadn't paid for finally saw them on one of his "charitable working days" and told them they had skin cancer but as they hadn't contributed to the NHS in their life time instead of simply removing the mole they were doomed to an agonising death or paying for the whole operation and aftercare themselves.

What does get my goat is politicians putting forward the idea that its not right low paid workers should be funding todays degree students. Firstly we are - or will be when not all the loan is repaid and secondly before making that statement have they found some low paid workers from their day and canvassed their opinion on whether or not they are happy to have paid for their free degree that enabled them to become a well paid politician?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It has to be said that were there no graduates the UK wouldn't be where it is today..... well it would be ... businesses would just have employed graduates from overseas.

I never get this idea that people put forward why should they contribute to anything coz they don't use it - selfish and narrow minded - educated people make a country a better place for starters. Anyway how would they like it when the doctor they hadn't paid for finally saw them on one of his "charitable working days" and told them they had skin cancer but as they hadn't contributed to the NHS in their life time instead of simply removing the mole they were doomed to an agonising death or paying for the whole operation and aftercare themselves.

What does get my goat is politicians putting forward the idea that its not right low paid workers should be funding todays degree students. Firstly we are - or will be when not all the loan is repaid and secondly before making that statement have they found some low paid workers from their day and canvassed their opinion on whether or not they are happy to have paid for their free degree that enabled them to become a well paid politician?

They seem to have created this narrative that doesn't accept that someone who earns more doesn't pay more in tax anyway (this sentence possibly has one to many "doesn't" in it). Regardless of whether I paid for my own degree or not, if I go on to earn £100k a year, I will have more than paid it back in the additional taxes I pay compared to someone on £20k a year. But yeah, the other issue is that we're constantly hearing about how robots are going to take our jobs. And the last time we faced a similar threat during automation, the answer was public education. It's almost certain that increased levels of education will be the answer again. Those middle-skilled jobs are the ones that are going to disappear, replaced with algorithms and robots that can do the job better. Already computer science graduates are replacing those with degrees in finance in investment banking. The highly-skilled and creative jobs will be where the future is. People like to laugh at media studies, but robots aren't going to be replacing scriptwriters any time soon.

 

[MellowJoe]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-...-passes-first-round-nationanl-literary-prize/

 

[I'm With Stupid]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-...-passes-first-round-nationanl-literary-prize/

Haha, fair enough.