Tories have lost the vote of the young generation.

[hilts]

They seem to have created this narrative that doesn't accept that someone who earns more doesn't pay more in tax anyway (this sentence possibly has one to many "doesn't" in it). Regardless of whether I paid for my own degree or not, if I go on to earn £100k a year, I will have more than paid it back in the additional taxes I pay compared to someone on £20k a year. But yeah, the other issue is that we're constantly hearing about how robots are going to take our jobs. And the last time we faced a similar threat during automation, the answer was public education. It's almost certain that increased levels of education will be the answer again. Those middle-skilled jobs are the ones that are going to disappear, replaced with algorithms and robots that can do the job better. Already computer science graduates are replacing those with degrees in finance in investment banking. The highly-skilled and creative jobs will be where the future is. People like to laugh at media studies, but robots aren't going to be replacing scriptwriters any time soon.

So you are saying that a 15k a year bloke/woman should pay for your degree because you will earn 100k and pay a lot of tax. So you clear 60k approx a year for your working life let's say 40 years. 2.4 million quid but you don't want to pay 50 grand you want the guy clearing 13/14k a year to do it because you pay tax.

I hear that rich people should pay more tax to help out the little guy and if they say well I pay plenty of tax they are selfish cunts but you want a poor guy to subsidies you because you will pay plenty of tax.

These morals just get more confusing.

 

[MellowJoe]

Haha, fair enough.

:( it's comin' Weirdly it might be the awkward physical labour type jobs that goes last. Then we can all relax right? life of leisure.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

That's what is most depressing about Young Conservatives.

They've deliberately skipped adolescence, sex and drugs and gone straight to mortgages and pin striped suits.

They are the lowest form of life imaginable.

 

[hilts]

They seem to have created this narrative that doesn't accept that someone who earns more doesn't pay more in tax anyway (this sentence possibly has one to many "doesn't" in it). Regardless of whether I paid for my own degree or not, if I go on to earn £100k a year, I will have more than paid it back in the additional taxes I pay compared to someone on £20k a year. But yeah, the other issue is that we're constantly hearing about how robots are going to take our jobs. And the last time we faced a similar threat during automation, the answer was public education. It's almost certain that increased levels of education will be the answer again. Those middle-skilled jobs are the ones that are going to disappear, replaced with algorithms and robots that can do the job better. Already computer science graduates are replacing those with degrees in finance in investment banking. The highly-skilled and creative jobs will be where the future is. People like to laugh at media studies, but robots aren't going to be replacing scriptwriters any time soon.

You obviously haven't seen fast and furious 8

 

[MellowJoe]

So you are saying that a 15k a year bloke/woman should pay for your degree because you will earn 100k and pay a lot of tax. So you clear 60k approx a year for your working life let's say 40 years. 2.4 million quid but you don't want to pay 50 grand you want the guy clearing 13/14k a year to do it because you pay tax.

I hear that rich people should pay more tax to help out the little guy and if they say well I pay plenty of tax they are selfish cunts but you want a poor guy to subsidies you because you will pay plenty of tax.

These morals just get more confusing.

Surely it all depends on what the 'poor' are financing or supplementing. I mean, we can make rational arguments as to what is a benefit to the masses and what is not

 

[bluethrunthru]

So you are saying that a 15k a year bloke/woman should pay for your degree because you will earn 100k and pay a lot of tax. So you clear 60k approx a year for your working life let's say 40 years. 2.4 million quid but you don't want to pay 50 grand you want the guy clearing 13/14k a year to do it because you pay tax.

I hear that rich people should pay more tax to help out the little guy and if they say well I pay plenty of tax they are selfish cunts but you want a poor guy to subsidies you because you will pay plenty of tax.

These morals just get more confusing.

No - he wants the state to fund it - the guy on £14k per year would pay tax which yes would go towards it. The flipside would be that if that guy is in need of legal representation or if his kid needs an operation the person with the degree would doubtless be there for him. Thats the morality

 

[I'm With Stupid]

So you are saying that a 15k a year bloke/woman should pay for your degree because you will earn 100k and pay a lot of tax. So you clear 60k approx a year for your working life let's say 40 years. 2.4 million quid but you don't want to pay 50 grand you want the guy clearing 13/14k a year to do it because you pay tax.

I hear that rich people should pay more tax to help out the little guy and if they say well I pay plenty of tax they are selfish cunts but you want a poor guy to subsidies you because you will pay plenty of tax.

These morals just get more confusing.

Well let's be honest, someone earning £15k a year is very unlikely to be a net contributor anyway, so they wouldn't be paying for anyone's degree. But the company that pays them such a shit wage should contribute, yes. Obviously a balance has to be met between the number of people you can afford to fund and the extent of that funding, but it's just economically a good decision for the whole country to have a highly educated population.

It's not really about the people who earn enough to easily pay it back though, it's about the people who struggle to get onto the housing ladder or save for retirement because they've got extra money coming out of their account every week. I pay £124 a month for my student loan. I'm luckily one of the ones that doesn't have to pay (real) interest, so I don't care too much. But let's be honest, that money could go into a pension or property, making me less of a burden in later life. With the new generation of students though, it's just going to be paying off interest forever, even when they've more than paid back their loan. I definitely object to that. At the very least, interest should be set like my student loan, where you pay back what you borrowed in real terms.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Yeah Corbyn seems to have the young vote locked down, he actually made an effort compared to May

Made an effort? For fucks sake.

Prepared to backtrack on every principle he ever had and promise anything irrespective of the adverse consequences.

Well done Jerry, bravo, what a man. Wanker.

 

[Chippy_boy]

They are the lowest form of life imaginable.

Jesus wept.

 

[hilts]

Well let's be honest, someone earning £15k a year is very unlikely to be a net contributor anyway, so they wouldn't be paying for anyone's degree. But the company that pays them such a shit wage should contribute, yes. Obviously a balance has to be met between the number of people you can afford to fund and the extent of that funding, but it's just economically a good decision for the whole country to have a highly educated population.

It's not really about the people who earn enough to easily pay it back though, it's about the people who struggle to get onto the housing ladder or save for retirement because they've got extra money coming out of their account every week. I pay £124 a month for my student loan. I'm luckily one of the ones that doesn't have to pay (real) interest, so I don't care too much. But let's be honest, that money could go into a pension or property, making me less of a burden in later life. With the new generation of students though, it's just going to be paying off interest forever, even when they've more than paid back their loan. I definitely object to that. At the very least, interest should be set like my student loan, where you pay back what you borrowed in real terms.

Let's take it step by step does someone earning 15k pay tax?