Tories win Copeland b-election.

[Chippy_boy]

Name the labour leader that could achieve such a swing in england in the foreseeable future? The only way labour will get in again is when the Scots have had a belly full of the SNP, and we've had a couple of decades of Tory rule as per 97. A different leader will make no difference to labour.

Helmet, the Tory majority is what, 20? I forget the exact number. It's not exactly like the Maggy Thatcher or Tony Blair huge majorities of old. Labour absolutely could and should stand a chance at the next election if they had a sensible candidate. OK, an outright majority may be a stretch too far, but a SNP-Labour coalition? Absolutely. Jezzer is single-handedly ruining the Labour Party. Not just his own personal unelectability, but the divisions he's creating and the direction he's taking it in.

Where I agree with you, is if he ends up being replaced by someone like McDonnell, it won't get any better.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Name the labour leader that could achieve such a swing in england in the foreseeable future? The only way labour will get in again is when the Scots have had a belly full of the SNP, and we've had a couple of decades of Tory rule as per 97. A different leader will make no difference to labour.

By 'the leader' do you mean 'a leader' how about when 'the right brother' returns or dare I even say it a guy called Anthony? Failing that kier starmer, dan jarvis, chris leslie, hillary benn even rachel reeves

 

[i kne albert davy]

Thanks for the info ikad, I'm glad I'm not fighting this fight alone. It's worth adding anyone who thinks Micheal Foot would ever have won a general election must be as deluded as those who think Corbyn can. He can only win leadership elections and even then he's reliant on his £3 commie cult socialist worker momentum dickhead members

My pleasure to put the record straight and while we're at it lets not forget that until the late 1950's the Tories were the dominant party in Scotland in fact if the 22 Tory seats in Scotland had voted differently in 1979 Mrs T would have had a minority Government and so would Mr Major in 1992. Fancy the Tories depending on Scotland for power who'd have thought it eh.

 

[Chippy_boy]

someone like Sadiq Khan or Chuka Umunna perhaps. i.e. someone vaguely sensible and who doesn't like like a throwback from the '60's /70's.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

someone like Sadiq Khan or Chuka Umunna perhaps. i.e. someone vaguely sensible and who doesn't like like a throwback from the '60's /70's.

Agree both viable, as a 'full' member I'd go with any of my suggestions first however and in any case Sadiq will stay on as mayor until after dickhead is gone

 

[i kne albert davy]

By 'the leader' do you mean 'a leader' how about when 'the right brother' returns or dare I even say it a guy called Anthony? Failing that kier starmer, dan jarvis, chris leslie, hillary benn even rachel reeves

Correct mate the Conservatives were in disarray from 1997 to 2010 they had more leaders than City had managers, the people fell out with Labour during the biggest financial crisis since the 1930s yet still the Conservatives could only manage a coalition Government. Labour are in a proper mess now but sooner or later a decent leader with arrive just as the people get fed up with the Tories.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Was a shite result for labour and Corbyn is partly to blame, the local CLP wanted someone else to stand, and it was rejected for a more pro corbyn candidate, also the tories played on his own stanve on nuclear, which I somewhat agree with, but in areas which have been seriously hit by things like de-industrialisation you don't say I would lile.to get rid of nuclear without having something to replace it.
Labour in it's current ideological thinking of returning to a socialist agenda is the best option for the country, but the message is lost by a media suspicious, stubborn old goat in charge.

I do find it laughable though that copeland was a footnote on the news before the results and it was all about stoke and labour losing, which as it hasn't happened is now pushed to tge sidelines, letting ukip's failiure off the hook.

Labour returning to a socialist agenda is the best option for the country?
I would respectfully suggest that is probably the best way to ensure that Labour very quickly ceases to exist.
That message, because of Corbyn and his acolytes is the reason they're getting spanked, Labour has to, very
quickly find another Blair, I know it sticks in the craw of the left, but the left itself is in retreat, that kind
of politics will not succeed in this country, It amazes me that people think it will.

 

[Magicpole]

Helmet, the Tory majority is what, 20? I forget the exact number. It's not exactly like the Maggy Thatcher or Tony Blair huge majorities of old. Labour absolutely could and should stand a chance at the next election if they had a sensible candidate. OK, an outright majority may be a stretch too far, but a SNP-Labour coalition? Absolutely. Jezzer is single-handedly ruining the Labour Party. Not just his own personal unelectability, but the divisions he's creating and the direction he's taking it in.

Where I agree with you, is if he ends up being replaced by someone like McDonnell, it won't get any better.

Labour are a busted flush up here. But we would literally join anybody who took on the Tories.

 

[jazzy]

Vote Labour I would rather get a season ticket for the swamp . They will not mount a serious challange to the tories for at least 2 more election's even more once the new boundary changes kick in

 

[blueinsa]

someone like Sadiq Khan or Chuka Umunna perhaps. i.e. someone vaguely sensible and who doesn't like like a throwback from the '60's /70's.

Both very pro EU as well, how convenient ;-)