Tories win Copeland b-election.

[i kne albert davy]

Labour are a busted flush up here. But we would literally join anybody who took on the Tories.

Instead you wee Scotlanders decided to elect a bunch of Nationalists.

 

[urban genie]

By 'the leader' do you mean 'a leader' how about when 'the right brother' returns or dare I even say it a guy called Anthony? Failing that kier starmer, dan jarvis, chris leslie, hillary benn even rachel reeves

Are all terrible choices to me, none espouse any indication they are anything but what new labour were, which has been rejected by the memership and the electorate


Unfortunately the ones who do are not well known and the media are happy to drag out the new labour appologists on every political show rather than your Richard Burgons, Kate Osamor, Cat Smith, Rebecca Long-Baily, the only one who does get coverage is Clive Lewis and I wpuld take any of them as leader over the right wing of the party.

They are all new MP's though only 2 years into the job and so can look unready, but they are the future of the party not the repeatin the mistakes of the last 10 years.

Basically the party is going round in a circle.

 

[blueinsa]

Labour are a busted flush up here. But we would literally join anybody who took on the Tories.

Sooner give the busted flush a chance of actually ousting the Tories in Westminster than electing a bunch of Nationalists who have one policy only.

 

[Magicpole]

Sooner give the busted flush a chance of actually ousting the Tories in Westminster than electing a bunch of Nationalists who have one policy only.

Won't happen.

 

[Magicpole]

Instead you wee Scotlanders decided to elect a bunch of Nationalists.

Yes we did. Labour pushed the self destruct button. They are about to be annihilated in the council elections.

They remind me of a PG Tips chimp commercial.

Without the laughs.

 

[blueinsa]

Won't happen.

If thats the SNP will gain independence and /or get rid of the Tories from Westminster then i completely agree.

 

[urban genie]

Labour returning to a socialist agenda is the best option for the country?
I would respectfully suggest that is probably the best way to ensure that Labour very quickly ceases to exist.
That message, because of Corbyn and his acolytes is the reason they're getting spanked, Labour has to, very
quickly find another Blair, I know it sticks in the craw of the left, but the left itself is in retreat, that kind
of politics will not succeed in this country, It amazes me that people think it will.

It can, even though we are told it cannot on most political shows. but it is not going to happen under corbyn, a tool to steer the party back in it's proper direction, but not one to ge the message across to the general populace.

As I said it's laughable that Copeland as terrible a defeat as it is has become the only story, while stoke is now not important.
When the supposed left leaning paper like the guardian has ran negative laour stories for near on a year, you know that you are on to a loser when it comes to getting the message out.
All the main socialist ideas (affordable housing for all, complete free health and social care, education for all, nationalisation of transport/energy companies) have met with public support, but labour just aren't good at the momment at turning that into votes

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Are all terrible choices to me, none espouse any indication they are anything but what new labour were, which has been rejected by the memership and the electorate


Unfortunately the ones who do are not well known and the media are happy to drag out the new labour appologists on every political show rather than your Richard Burgons, Kate Osamor, Cat Smith, Rebecca Long-Baily, the only one who does get coverage is Clive Lewis and I wpuld take any of them as leader over the right wing of the party.

They are all new MP's though only 2 years into the job and so can look unready, but they are the future of the party not the repeatin the mistakes of the last 10 years.

Basically the party is going round in a circle.

No offence intended but the fact that not one of those mentioned meets with your approval serves only to reinforce my opinion that any one of them is the right person for the job, unfortunately though there remains the boil that is Corbyn to lance

 

[Len Rum]

It's fucking outrageous that some Labour supporters have the outright temerity to criticise the Tories for increasing the national debt, whilst (a) not respecting the fact that THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS when you run a deficit, and even more galling, (b) at the same time criticising the Tories for austerity and spending cuts!!!?! Without austerity and spending cuts, the debt would be even worse, WOULDN'T IT LEN.

You would understand this, since you understand the difference between debt and deficit.

Take off your blue tinted specs mate, take a step back and look at the Tories borrowing record since 2010.
In 2010 Boy George said he would eliminate the deficit by 2015 but he put the economy into reverse, crashed it in 2012 and then had to borrow like a bar steward to rescue it and win the 2015 election. Alistair Darling (remember him) had a much more sensible plan to reduce the deficit which didn't involve putting the patient into extreme cold turkey and then having to pump him full of drugs to prevent his death.
So having mismanaged the economy and failed to eliminate the deficit, the Boy then tried to implement austerity plan number 2 after the 2015 election but got caught out by his own party who stopped him cutting working tax credits. In other words it was the Tory party that scuppered their own chancellor's plans to eliminate the deficit and bring the debt under control.
And now we have Brexit ( the responsibility of the Tories not Labour) which means that the elimination of the deficit is mañana and by 2020 the national debt will be 2tn ( 90% of GDP) at which point the debt problem becomes systemic. And if a bad / no trade deal results from Brexit the situation is even worse.
Are you seeing a pattern here? It is the Tories NOT Labour that are responsible for the failure to eliminate the deficit and the resultant astronomical level of debt. They have achieved this first by mismanagement of the economy (2010 to 2012), then by frustrating their own chancellor (2015) and then by bringing about Brexit(2016) in attempt to resolve their own internal party differences. These failures are treated as mere inconvenient facts by the media whereas Labour's record on borrowing ten years ago and even as far back as the seventies is held as being responsible for all our economic woes.
OK so Blair/Brown in your opinion spent five bob more than they should have in the noughties ( on public services remember them) , so by all means carry on blaming Labour for the current deficit and level of debt and repeat to yourself the old lie that it is only Labour that overborrow. The facts say otherwise.

 

[Helmet Cole]

someone like Sadiq Khan or Chuka Umunna perhaps. i.e. someone vaguely sensible and who doesn't like like a throwback from the '60's /70's.

That's the problem though isn't it? They would probably appeal to the center right in the party, and possibly in the electorate, but not the LW folks. There are no obvious candidates to unite labour and win a GE. I can't even remember the name of the bloke that was up against corbyn last summer, and as for Liz Kendal and co who stood for the leadership first time round that just shows how lacking the party is. I think Benn would be good, but of course he shot himself in the foot with his failed coup.