totally underwhelmed

[sutty66]

No offence De Niro but before the Valencia game you were going on about how worried you were. After the game you suggested we'd barely concede a goal all season.

If we beat Liverpool, I'm sure you'll be predicting 36 consecutive league wins. Should we lose, you'll blame it all on Mancini and predict relegation.

i also said we'd just about stay up on 38points after 38 0-0 draws. i can't see us losing i really can't but ffs we have a tremendous squad of quality players, bob uses those quality players to little effect, these are top notch players and we should take the shackles off, let the opposition worry about us for a change.
i think we should keep the jury out untill we've played a few games, let the new players "bed in" after that we'll all have a better idea of the shape of the team.

bottom line is and i dont think its too much to ask.

i want to be entertained for the now obscene amount of dosh i fork out to watch my beloved city up and down the country.

Well said mod ;) lol

Just want mancini to let the talent we got to go out and play instead of bein scared of getting beat, draws are wot cost us last season....

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Okay Svennis..... we also

Beat Wigan 3-0
Beat United 2-1
Beat Fulham 2-1
Beat Scunthorpe 4-2...... wait a minute.

My point was you can hardly call a team that scores as many goals as it did negative (IMO) which is what many on here are hell bent on doing.

Just give Mancini time to get his players playing his game and then after say... 10 matches revisit the question of negativity.. thats all (some) people are asking.

I'd say a full season to be honest. I know I said Xmas earlier but in reality the guy needs a full season.

Although I honestly think that should we win 8 consecutive games 1-0, people will still moan about the football even if we're top of the league and still in all cups.

You can't please all of the people all of the time and people expecting us to flamboyantly destroy all competition, scoring 3 and playing sexy football will be very disappointed.

Chelsea and United are allowed to grind out results against the odds. We're not, we must win by a big margin and make the total football of the legendary Dutch side side look like Hyde on a bad day.

 

[svennis pennis]

Okay Svennis..... we also

Beat Wigan 3-0
Beat United 2-1
Beat Fulham 2-1
Beat Scunthorpe 4-2...... wait a minute.

My point was you can hardly call a team that scores as many goals as it did negative (IMO) which is what many on here are hell bent on doing.

Just give Mancini time to get his players playing his game and then after say... 10 matches revisit the question of negativity.. thats all (some) people are asking.

Thats fine by me.

Im hoping his negativity is down to the squad not yet being completed to his ideas. However it very nearly is. Players in and those he doesnt rate or like shipped out. Very much the situation Hughes was in last season having been given the chance to shape 'his' squad.

The negativity has to stop against the so called 'big' teams. I fully expect us to be on top for large periods against the dippers. If we play to contain I will be dismayed as this squad has so much to give.

 

[Scottyboi]

Lol mancini said wait untill he gets his own players sorted, then we will see the good football.
We have just played one game against the 4th best team in the league and you moan?
Pretty lame come back at christmas.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

No offence De Niro but before the Valencia game you were going on about how worried you were. After the game you suggested we'd barely concede a goal all season.

If we beat Liverpool, I'm sure you'll be predicting 36 consecutive league wins. Should we lose, you'll blame it all on Mancini and predict relegation.

i also said we'd just about stay up on 38points after 38 0-0 draws. i can't see us losing i really can't but ffs we have a tremendous squad of quality players, bob uses those quality players to little effect, these are top notch players and we should take the shackles off, let the opposition worry about us for a change.
i think we should keep the jury out untill we've played a few games, let the new players "bed in" after that we'll all have a better idea of the shape of the team.

bottom line is and i dont think its too much to ask.

i want to be entertained for the now obscene amount of dosh i fork out to watch my beloved city up and down the country.

Okay, well I agree with the defence, but you have to remember Silva & Tevez came back late from the world cup, barely played together and silva had to go to mexico mid-week. Shauny didn't play well and yes maybe Mancini was a bit too negative, but I saw a change in the 2nd half where we were quite a lot more composed and threatening and if Tevez would have stayed as a lone striker we could have done better. He made a few mistakes, but I only think we'll get better and the camera shots of him on the touchline showed he wasn't happy with how we were playing and he was shouting at players to change things etc. Ultimately I think we all need to be patient and give it a few weeks and hopefully see the improvement game by game, I think it just needs time. On you wanting to be entertained, I don't want to sound rude or arrogant but you choose to pay to go, and football is a results business, not an entertainment one, so really you pay to go and support the team and hope they win, they don't set out to please the fans, they set out to win, or get the result the manager wants from them. They can't play well all the time, especially first up in a difficult away game in not an ideal situation. Obviously it's ideal to play well and win, but you can't do that all the time. I know last season gave a poor impression in big games with our negativity, but I do believe we'll improve in these with Mancini's own players when they've bedded in, I just think we all need to give them a chance and be patient, and 2bh although this season is more expensive, you must have paid to watch some absolute shite over the years, I think a 0-0 draw with Spurs after the game last season can't be that bad, surely?

 

[KenTheLandlord]

We were up against a very bouyed team on Saturday.

They are on the verge of their first CL campaign.
They were at home, first game of the season.
They were playing their whipping boys.
They were up for it, like few team we will play this season.

They walked away like we did last season. The visiting team were given a wholloping for the first 30 minutes and the home team fell away in the second half.

There were many parallels in those two matches and despite the o.p. having a few good points, i think when the team is settled and knowing what each other is capable of, we will move steadily forward.

 

[gregblag]

3 new players started yesterday 1 went off at half time and 1 has only played 35 min pre season with the team

2 of our old players cost us a win swp and richards swap them for johnson and botange and it would of been different

Fuck me that's a twisted viewpoint.

What actually happened is that Joe Hart saved us a hiding.

I'm going to quote Brian Clough when it was suggested to him that only the brilliance of Peter Shilton stood between Forest and a heavy defeat:"That's what he's paid for".

Peter Schmiechal was a fantastic goalkeeper and ridiculously difficult to beat. He saved United on countless occasions. Don't apologise for Hart and the times that he saves us. Just be glad we've got him.

 

[Bill]

i also said we'd just about stay up on 38points after 38 0-0 draws. i can't see us losing i really can't but ffs we have a tremendous squad of quality players, bob uses those quality players to little effect, these are top notch players and we should take the shackles off, let the opposition worry about us for a change.
i think we should keep the jury out until we've played a few games, let the new players "bed in" after that we'll all have a better idea of the shape of the team.

bottom line is and i dont think its too much to ask.

i want to be entertained for the now obscene amount of dosh i fork out to watch my beloved city up and down the country.

Okay, well I agree with the defence, but you have to remember Silva & Tevez came back late from the world cup, barely played together and silva had to go to mexico mid-week. Shauny didn't play well and yes maybe Mancini was a bit too negative, but I saw a change in the 2nd half where we were quite a lot more composed and threatening and if Tevez would have stayed as a lone striker we could have done better. He made a few mistakes, but I only think we'll get better and the camera shots of him on the touchline showed he wasn't happy with how we were playing and he was shouting at players to change things etc. Ultimately I think we all need to be patient and give it a few weeks and hopefully see the improvement game by game, I think it just needs time. On you wanting to be entertained, I don't want to sound rude or arrogant but you choose to pay to go, and football is a results business, not an entertainment one, so really you pay to go and support the team and hope they win, they don't set out to please the fans, they set out to win, or get the result the manager wants from them. They can't play well all the time, especially first up in a difficult away game in not an ideal situation. Obviously it's ideal to play well and win, but you can't do that all the time. I know last season gave a poor impression in big games with our negativity, but I do believe we'll improve in these with Mancini's own players when they've bedded in, I just think we all need to give them a chance and be patient, and 2bh although this season is more expensive, you must have paid to watch some absolute shite over the years, I think a 0-0 draw with Spurs after the game last season can't be that bad, surely?

you are spot on with most you say, we have watched dross, i do choose to pay out but i do so to watch city, win or lose, either way though its still supposed to be an entertainment industry, well to me anyway.
i know that we did not have our squad out there yesterday, i'm sure when all are fit we'll be a different proposition, at least we can judge where we are really at.
my real fears are regardless of the quality and size of our very expensive squad we'll still play negative football, that would be a bloody shame.

a draw at spurs yesterday was a fantastic result, at our place though i want a win and for that we have to score, lets hope the "bedding in" is done by then.

 

[GStar]

I gave hughes shit for 18 months of shit with his own team the final straw was the 3-0 loss to spuds, youre giving Bob shit after 1 game with his own team after a 1-1 draw with spuds..

Let's play a little game its called spot the difference ;)

So you started give Hughes shit straight away? ;)

I'm not giving Mancini shit either, it's something i've noticed throughout his tenure, not 1 game.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Okay, well I agree with the defence, but you have to remember Silva & Tevez came back late from the world cup, barely played together and silva had to go to mexico mid-week. Shauny didn't play well and yes maybe Mancini was a bit too negative, but I saw a change in the 2nd half where we were quite a lot more composed and threatening and if Tevez would have stayed as a lone striker we could have done better. He made a few mistakes, but I only think we'll get better and the camera shots of him on the touchline showed he wasn't happy with how we were playing and he was shouting at players to change things etc. Ultimately I think we all need to be patient and give it a few weeks and hopefully see the improvement game by game, I think it just needs time. On you wanting to be entertained, I don't want to sound rude or arrogant but you choose to pay to go, and football is a results business, not an entertainment one, so really you pay to go and support the team and hope they win, they don't set out to please the fans, they set out to win, or get the result the manager wants from them. They can't play well all the time, especially first up in a difficult away game in not an ideal situation. Obviously it's ideal to play well and win, but you can't do that all the time. I know last season gave a poor impression in big games with our negativity, but I do believe we'll improve in these with Mancini's own players when they've bedded in, I just think we all need to give them a chance and be patient, and 2bh although this season is more expensive, you must have paid to watch some absolute shite over the years, I think a 0-0 draw with Spurs after the game last season can't be that bad, surely?

you are spot on with most you say, we have watched dross, i do choose to pay out but i do so to watch city, win or lose, either way though its still supposed to be an entertainment industry, well to me anyway.
i know that we did not have our squad out there yesterday, i'm sure when all are fit we'll be a different proposition, at least we can judge where we are really at.
my real fears are regardless of the quality and size of our very expensive squad we'll still play negative football, that would be a bloody shame.

a draw at spurs yesterday was a fantastic result, at our place though i want a win and for that we have to score, lets hope the "bedding in" is done by then.

so do I, I'd be agreeing with you if we didn't, I'd rather lose 3 more games to win 3 more, than draw them, though I'd probably always take a point away at Spurs. We have the attacking quality, I'm just accepting the fact they aren't quite ready yet, but in a few weeks I want to see us playing some wonderful football, because we did last season, just not consistantly.

We won't win every game, we'll lose a few, but we just want to see some semblance of attacking virtues in those games, once everyone's settled and fitter.

 

[gregblag]

Disagree totally. Method and style need to be adapted to achieve results. Against the likes of Spurs you have to set yourselves up not to be beaten and this he did, very well in my opinion.

If you want to watch six goal thrillers every week thats great but dont expect success.... not yet anyway, that will come with time.

You have to be patient.

in simple terms, you will never win games if you don't get nobody in the box.

up to yet against the best sides, mancini has totally failed to show the know how of how to even create chances against them, never mind score.

we had new players i agree, but they were top players, added to a top squad, we cannot keep hiding behind the new team syndrome, yesterday was a league game and should be assessed accordingly.

the result was fine, the second half was a vast improvement, and there were some encouraging signs, but as an attacking force we were shit.

What do you mean? It took Ferguson 4 seasons to win a trophy and the fans were after his blood by that time. It took him 7 seasons to win the league, the reason he was brought in in the 1st place. Are you going to have a go at Mancini after his 1st game in a new season after 6 months in charge, the game being an improvement on the corresponding fixture the season before?

 

[Mancio]

anyway, given i'm italian and my english is very very poor i've to ask for an help :

anyone would explane to me what the word "negative" really mean ? thanks


ps: becouse in all the time i watch fooball i believe this is the first time that a team have had about 60% of possession and is named "negative"...... there is something that i dont get ?

 

[shadygiz]

anyway, given i'm italian and my english is very very poor i've to ask for an help :

anyone would explane to me what the word "negative" really mean ? thanks


ps: becouse in all the time i watch fooball i believe this is the first time that a team have had about 60% of possession and is named "negative"...... there is something that i dont get ?

pessimistico or contrario

 

[Ducado]

in simple terms, you will never win games if you don't get nobody in the box.

up to yet against the best sides, mancini has totally failed to show the know how of how to even create chances against them, never mind score.

we had new players i agree, but they were top players, added to a top squad, we cannot keep hiding behind the new team syndrome, yesterday was a league game and should be assessed accordingly.

the result was fine, the second half was a vast improvement, and there were some encouraging signs, but as an attacking force we were shit.

What do you mean? It took Ferguson 4 seasons to win a trophy and the fans were after his blood by that time. It took him 7 seasons to win the league, the reason he was brought in in the 1st place. Are you going to have a go at Mancini after his 1st game in a new season after 6 months in charge, the game being an improvement on the corresponding fixture the season before?

Best reply of the thread sums up my thinking

 

[Mancio]

anyway, given i'm italian and my english is very very poor i've to ask for an help :

anyone would explane to me what the word "negative" really mean ? thanks


ps: becouse in all the time i watch fooball i believe this is the first time that a team have had about 60% of possession and is named "negative"...... there is something that i dont get ?

pessimistico or contrario

thanks mate , i was thinking it was meaning "defensive" , thanks again

 

[Indestructable]

Last year I watched us lose home and away to Spurs so a draw is an improvement.
Nice to come away from White Hart Lane with a smile on my face as it is the first time since in 6 years.

 

[badge]

i went to the game yesterday, and i have to say that i think our style of play is subduing our support. we were very quiet yesterday. mancini has my full backing but i share concerns about our lack of ambition to get into our opponents penalty box. one instance summed it up for me. in the second half david silva had possession of the ball three quarters of the way up the pitch, and not one player showed any interest in joining him on his great adventure.

come on roberto. give us something to shout about. PLEASE.

 

[shadygiz]

i went to the game yesterday, and i have to say that i think our style of play is subduing our support. we were very quiet yesterday. mancini has my full backing but i share concerns about our lack of ambition to get into our opponents penalty box. one instance summed it up for me. in the second half david silva had possession of the ball three quarters of the way up the pitch, and not one player showed any interest in joining him on his great adventure.

come on roberto. give us something to shout about. PLEASE.

the same happened on a few occassions at home last season...time and time again tevez or bellamy made runs, only for our midfield to happily carry on passing it between themselves....remember tevez turning round part way through one game and throwing his hands up

 

[gregblag]

To fully understand why we were under the cosh yesterday you have to look at a lot of things...

Spurs were at home on the first day of the season, in the very fist game of the season against the team who they beat for a Champions League place and againsta team who they had beat 12 times out of the last 13. They were also up against a team that hasn't had much time to play together or even train together.

So the idea for Spurs was to start fast. The crowd make a lot of noise. Everyone wants to beat City now. Everyone in the ground is up for it, which understandably gives Spurs a huge momentum lift.

They gave our players no time on the ball, and when they had the ball, more often than not they got it out wide and hit Crouch. This in itself causes problems because of how tall he is. Everything suddenly looks last ditch as we battle to get on the end of his knockdowns before a Spurs player does. It's very difficult to show compusre and retain possession when the game is at such a tempo and the atmosphere is so intense. We actually did really well in this respect.

Then Joe Hart has to make some exceptional saves. 1st from a Defoe shot, after a knockdown from Crouch (which we actually defended ok). Then he makes two great saves from Huddlestone and Ekotto. 9 times out of 10 those shots miss by miles. Huddlestones technique was fantastic, but 9 times out of 10, shots from that distance don't even register. The very fact that those shots both almost produced goals only hightens the atmosphere, and in turn it makes our job of not conceding, even harder.

Now the only real chance in the first half where we were majorly at fault was the Defoe 1 on 1. Kompany and Toure both got caught, and there was no pressure on Huddlestone who played a quality long ball. Maybe Richards could have done better with Bale's shot that hit the post...

In the 2nd half, we performed much better and we should have scored with SWP. From there on, we controlled the game, and after about 20 minutes of the 2nd half possession was something like 63% - 37% in our favour. This impressed me, because it's an area where we'ved struggled in the past. We managed to silence the crowd and we carved out 1 or 2 decent chances. The whole pattern of play changes, because Spurs no longer have the momentum. Bale still had a good chance to win it, and Kompany made a great block late on, but make no mistake, we were the better team in the 2nd half.

Toure looked much more comfortable, Barry looked good. Silva looked decent, and we looked a lot more composed. To me, that's a sign of things to come. We controlled the game for 45 minutes away from home against a top 4 side. Not many teams are going to start like Spurs did, and we'll be able to get a grip on a lot of games much earlier. I saw enough in the 2nd half to see that we're a better side than last season, and we've also got Balotelli and probably Milner to come in, aswell as having a fully fit and co-ordinated midfield, which will probably take a few weeks to fit together.

I honestly don't understand what was underwhelming about yesterday. We took a point from White Hart Lane, against a team who have won their last 8 there. They started very similar against Chelsea last season and could have been 4 or 5 up by half time. It's normal for Spurs to start like that against the top sides. All you can do is hold out and take the sting out the game. We did that and i'm pleased. Underwhelmed didn't even enter my mind.

Great post.

 

[larderland]

To fully understand why we were under the cosh yesterday you have to look at a lot of things...

Spurs were at home on the first day of the season, in the very fist game of the season against the team who they beat for a Champions League place and againsta team who they had beat 12 times out of the last 13. They were also up against a team that hasn't had much time to play together or even train together.

So the idea for Spurs was to start fast. The crowd make a lot of noise. Everyone wants to beat City now. Everyone in the ground is up for it, which understandably gives Spurs a huge momentum lift.

They gave our players no time on the ball, and when they had the ball, more often than not they got it out wide and hit Crouch. This in itself causes problems because of how tall he is. Everything suddenly looks last ditch as we battle to get on the end of his knockdowns before a Spurs player does. It's very difficult to show compusre and retain possession when the game is at such a tempo and the atmosphere is so intense. We actually did really well in this respect.

Then Joe Hart has to make some exceptional saves. 1st from a Defoe shot, after a knockdown from Crouch (which we actually defended ok). Then he makes two great saves from Huddlestone and Ekotto. 9 times out of 10 those shots miss by miles. Huddlestones technique was fantastic, but 9 times out of 10, shots from that distance don't even register. The very fact that those shots both almost produced goals only hightens the atmosphere, and in turn it makes our job of not conceding, even harder.

Now the only real chance in the first half where we were majorly at fault was the Defoe 1 on 1. Kompany and Toure both got caught, and there was no pressure on Huddlestone who played a quality long ball. Maybe Richards could have done better with Bale's shot that hit the post...

In the 2nd half, we performed much better and we should have scored with SWP. From there on, we controlled the game, and after about 20 minutes of the 2nd half possession was something like 63% - 37% in our favour. This impressed me, because it's an area where we'ved struggled in the past. We managed to silence the crowd and we carved out 1 or 2 decent chances. The whole pattern of play changes, because Spurs no longer have the momentum. Bale still had a good chance to win it, and Kompany made a great block late on, but make no mistake, we were the better team in the 2nd half.

Toure looked much more comfortable, Barry looked good. Silva looked decent, and we looked a lot more composed. To me, that's a sign of things to come. We controlled the game for 45 minutes away from home against a top 4 side. Not many teams are going to start like Spurs did, and we'll be able to get a grip on a lot of games much earlier. I saw enough in the 2nd half to see that we're a better side than last season, and we've also got Balotelli and probably Milner to come in, aswell as having a fully fit and co-ordinated midfield, which will probably take a few weeks to fit together.

I honestly don't understand what was underwhelming about yesterday. We took a point from White Hart Lane, against a team who have won their last 8 there. They started very similar against Chelsea last season and could have been 4 or 5 up by half time. It's normal for Spurs to start like that against the top sides. All you can do is hold out and take the sting out the game. We did that and i'm pleased. Underwhelmed didn't even enter my mind.

Great post.

one of the best posts iv ever read on here ono,you summed it up unbelieveably well.il put my house on it that tottenham will never have a 35 mins like they did in the first half for the rest of the season!!