totally underwhelmed

[zeven]

I also disagree that we have a better team than Chelsea, and it's madness to even suggest that we're anywhere near Barca's team. Player for player, they consistently both beat us.

Anyway, if we get to a level where we are as strong as these teams we can then start thinking about going to win at the Bridge, OT, Emirates or WHL. Until then though, we do it ugly. Success is the only thing that matters, not performances, not how we set out against certain teams. We are NOT Abramovich. Success is good enough, I don't care if it's ugly or not.

A draw at WHL is better than us, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal all did there last season. It's a bloody hard place to go and a point at this stage of the season is an excellent result

Again at no point have i ever said we have a better team than either of those... as a squad we're up there in this division, and its quite possible to argue its one of the best.

We proved last season that not going into games looking to win, or looking to sneak a result didn't work... Arsenal were there for the taking, a pathetic 0-0. Liverpool home and away 2-2 and 0-0, Chelsea we went at them after being forced to and got the rub of the green with two wins. Utd we sat back and got beat.

I'm not bemoaning the point, i dont care about past results... look at each game on its own merits. Had we approached the game differently, perhaps we would have tested Spurs more. As it was we're all happy with a point because in all honesty we we're quite lucky to come away with a point.

Find a qoute from Mancini that supports your claim, and i might take your anti mancini BS seriously.

Or do you imply you would have done a better job?? because it damn sounds like that. tlast season our defence was a joke, Mancini sorted it our and our attacking football might have taken a punch, (want to see how many goals difference it really is between him and hughes)
This season we got a point from WHL where we have lost for the last six seasons and you complain about Mancinis tactics.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You cant just go all forward and attack if you risk to concede 2-3 goals every game!

I cant understand how ppl obviously prefer watching a game where we need to score 4 fooking goals to win the game. its insane, and we were the laughing stock.

we have witnessed first hand what this all attacking tactics really do. concede as a div 5 team. not able to win at home att the like as burnley, not to mention lose every game away (almost)

So my conclution is: all you that dont like Mancinis set up, have short memeories i must say.
Funny part is, you build your agruemantenation on Spurs Away where we havent got a point for ages. thats just sums up how unrealistic some fans really are.

How many goals less scored we under Mancini vs hughes?

The REALLY daft thing is that you should see Mancini's results in La Liga. He was anything but boring, with 4,5 & 6 goal wins all over the place. Once he had the team drilled the way he wants it, we will be solid at the back and devastating in attack. Sit back and enjoy the ride!

 

[Dannyblue]

i think we did ok yesterday i think yaya korlov and silva all look great signings and i am looking foward to seeing them and agianst liverpool! but i would drop swp and barry and play johnson on the right and adebayour up front with tevez and play silva on the left and we can have a super sub in mario balotelli!

 

[bluevengence]

To fully understand why we were under the cosh yesterday you have to look at a lot of things...

Spurs were at home on the first day of the season, in the very fist game of the season against the team who they beat for a Champions League place and againsta team who they had beat 12 times out of the last 13. They were also up against a team that hasn't had much time to play together or even train together.

So the idea for Spurs was to start fast. The crowd make a lot of noise. Everyone wants to beat City now. Everyone in the ground is up for it, which understandably gives Spurs a huge momentum lift.

They gave our players no time on the ball, and when they had the ball, more often than not they got it out wide and hit Crouch. This in itself causes problems because of how tall he is. Everything suddenly looks last ditch as we battle to get on the end of his knockdowns before a Spurs player does. It's very difficult to show compusre and retain possession when the game is at such a tempo and the atmosphere is so intense. We actually did really well in this respect.

Then Joe Hart has to make some exceptional saves. 1st from a Defoe shot, after a knockdown from Crouch (which we actually defended ok). Then he makes two great saves from Huddlestone and Ekotto. 9 times out of 10 those shots miss by miles. Huddlestones technique was fantastic, but 9 times out of 10, shots from that distance don't even register. The very fact that those shots both almost produced goals only hightens the atmosphere, and in turn it makes our job of not conceding, even harder.

Now the only real chance in the first half where we were majorly at fault was the Defoe 1 on 1. Kompany and Toure both got caught, and there was no pressure on Huddlestone who played a quality long ball. Maybe Richards could have done better with Bale's shot that hit the post...

In the 2nd half, we performed much better and we should have scored with SWP. From there on, we controlled the game, and after about 20 minutes of the 2nd half possession was something like 63% - 37% in our favour. This impressed me, because it's an area where we'ved struggled in the past. We managed to silence the crowd and we carved out 1 or 2 decent chances. The whole pattern of play changes, because Spurs no longer have the momentum. Bale still had a good chance to win it, and Kompany made a great block late on, but make no mistake, we were the better team in the 2nd half.

Toure looked much more comfortable, Barry looked good. Silva looked decent, and we looked a lot more composed. To me, that's a sign of things to come. We controlled the game for 45 minutes away from home against a top 4 side. Not many teams are going to start like Spurs did, and we'll be able to get a grip on a lot of games much earlier. I saw enough in the 2nd half to see that we're a better side than last season, and we've also got Balotelli and probably Milner to come in, aswell as having a fully fit and co-ordinated midfield, which will probably take a few weeks to fit together.

I honestly don't understand what was underwhelming about yesterday. We took a point from White Hart Lane, against a team who have won their last 8 there. They started very similar against Chelsea last season and could have been 4 or 5 up by half time. It's normal for Spurs to start like that against the top sides. All you can do is hold out and take the sting out the game. We did that and i'm pleased. Underwhelmed didn't even enter my mind.

spot on mate

 

[Mancio]

as simple as it sounds in what i said that would of been drilled into the players more than anything!

We didn't play counter attacking football at all yesterday, we kept possesion and tried to create a gap to exploit.

maybe becouse also the opponents had a plan : run back for not be fucked by counterattacks ;)

 

[GStar]

Find a qoute from Mancini that supports your claim, and i might take your anti mancini BS seriously.

Or do you imply you would have done a better job?? because it damn sounds like that. tlast season our defence was a joke, Mancini sorted it our and our attacking football might have taken a punch, (want to see how many goals difference it really is between him and hughes)
This season we got a point from WHL where we have lost for the last six seasons and you complain about Mancinis tactics.

TBH, i've never taken a single of your psots seriously... i won't lose any sleep if you don't agree with my opinion, after all, ins't that entirely the point?

I'm not anti Mancini (don't be so ignorant to put words in my mouth) i've just disagreed with you we've lined up for matches under his tenure. It could be i don't appreciate the bigger picture, or i could be that we would have got more points last season had we adapted during games as opposed to setting up "not to get beat" and finishing how we started.

I never said i'd do a better job, again, the point of forums is to express your opinion, people will disagree, debate will follow. Morons will get involved, frustrations will rise and ultimately people who can't follow rules will disappear.

Like i've said, i'm not bothered on our recent history, we've probably played a different starting XI in most of those games (no need to research and take that entirely literally).

But the fact you're happy to settle for a point without question, to me theres always areas to improve, how do you go forward if you always sit still?

 

[moomba]

They play to thier strengths. I've never seen Utd drop Rooney to change to differnet formation when they go to the Bridge.

They play to their strengths and havedetailed plans of how to nullify the opposition.

Not sure what Rooney has to do with it.

Every top 4 side sets up their side differently against the better teams.

If you don't concede that then I doubt you'll ever be happy.

 

[GStar]

We didn't play counter attacking football at all yesterday, we kept possesion and tried to create a gap to exploit.

maybe becouse also the opponents had a plan : run back for not be fucked by counterattacks ;)

Haha... i like it.<br /><br />-- Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:09 pm --<br /><br />

They play to thier strengths. I've never seen Utd drop Rooney to change to differnet formation when they go to the Bridge.

They play to their strengths and havedetailed plans of how to nullify the opposition.

Not sure what Rooney has to do with it.

Every top 4 side sets up their side differently against the better teams.

If you don't concede that then I doubt you'll ever be happy.

Rooney has nothing to do with it ffs. It was a comparision between how we wil change things quite drastically where as Utd, may bring Park in for Valencia to add more defensive ability without the ball.

Other than that they still commit players, they still make similar movement and they still play to their strengths.

 

[zeven]

Find a qoute from Mancini that supports your claim, and i might take your anti mancini BS seriously.

Or do you imply you would have done a better job?? because it damn sounds like that. tlast season our defence was a joke, Mancini sorted it our and our attacking football might have taken a punch, (want to see how many goals difference it really is between him and hughes)
This season we got a point from WHL where we have lost for the last six seasons and you complain about Mancinis tactics.

TBH, i've never taken a single of your psots seriously... i won't lose any sleep if you don't agree with my opinion, after all, ins't that entirely the point?

I'm not anti Mancini (don't be so ignorant to put words in my mouth) i've just disagreed with you we've lined up for matches under his tenure. It could be i don't appreciate the bigger picture, or i could be that we would have got more points last season had we adapted during games as opposed to setting up "not to get beat" and finishing how we started.

I never said i'd do a better job, again, the point of forums is to express your opinion, people will disagree, debate will follow. Morons will get involved, frustrations will rise and ultimately people who can't follow rules will disappear.

Like i've said, i'm not bothered on our recent history, we've probably played a different starting XI in most of those games (no need to research and take that entirely literally).

But the fact you're happy to settle for a point without question, to me theres always areas to improve, how do you go forward if you always sit still?

So why all this talk about this tactics? seriously we gained one point . yesterday.
we dont concede as we used to do.
we still score plenty of goals.

I guess you hate they way Barcelona,Chelsea,Inter is playing because non of them, play the hit and run game.

Why not put some trust and give Mancini at least one season.

 

[moomba]

Had we approached the game differently, perhaps we would have tested Spurs more. As it was we're all happy with a point because in all honesty we we're quite lucky to come away with a point.

Had we approached the game differently we might also have left ourselves exposed and lost the game. It's fun to make presumptions based on things that can never be proven.

I suspect that if this game was played in a couple of months time we would approach things very differently. But we need to remember that playing with a more attacking mentality can't be done without the risk of being hurt the other way.

-- Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:11 pm --

Rooney has nothing to do with it ffs. It was a comparision between how we wil change things quite drastically where as Utd, may bring Park in for Valencia to add more defensive ability without the ball.

Other than that they still commit players, they still make similar movement and they still play to their strengths.

You are wrong IMO. No top 4 club approaches a game against another top side the same way that they approach a game against the also rans.

There are countless examples, and not just United v Chelsea.