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totally underwhelmed
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GStar said:Damocles said:Top post scorer, entirely agree with this.
Really?
The top teams don't adapt in any major way than perhaps a rotation here or there. They play to their strengths first, believeing that they will win the game based firstly, on that.
I wouldn't expect barca to adapt their philosophies, same way i wouldn't expect Chelsea to.
We have a team equal of the talent and ability to match any, we shouldn't be going to anywhere hoping 'not to get beat'... we should be going to every game with a plan of action on how to win.
You would like a team that has just been formed, that met each other a few days ago, that at least half of it played in the World Cup and has fitness hangovers, to go one of the most settled and organised team's home ground and try to do them 3-0?
Look at it this way.
Win all of our home games = 57 points.
Draw against the top 8 away = 8 points.
Lose the odd few = 0 points
Beat the bottom 6 = 18 points.
57 + 8 + 18 = 83 points.
Most years that wins us the league.
GStar
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zeven said:No at spurs away in our first game, with new. thats just sucide.
That's your opinion, i couldn't disagree more.
We should go into every match with a plan of how to win. These players are top quality, even with the time they need to fully adapt they can still produce against any opposition.
It's going to take more than 1 or 2 games to build an understanding in the teamfathellensbellend said:the thread has moved on again, and many are linking caution to being successful, again under mancini's city, i have seen nothing to suggest this will be the case.
the truth is all sorts of different teams win trophies, greece in euro 2004, or barcelona of 2 years ago, or inter milan of last season.
comparing hughes's style to mancini's is irrelevent, we have mancini now, so that is all we need to look at.
i wish someone would ask him with the amazing talent at his disposal, all over the pitch, does he feel the need to attack with so few players, and so rarely gets any bodies in the box.
and why when we have spent millions on the defence, have the best 2 goalkeepers in the country do we need to further shield the defence with another 2/3 defensively minded players, especially against top sides.
i will be the 1st to return to this thread if i see an improvement versus liverpool, but it concerns me that when as a paying fan paying top dollar all over the country, the manager has no desire to entertain.
Damocles said:GStar said:Really?
The top teams don't adapt in any major way than perhaps a rotation here or there. They play to their strengths first, believeing that they will win the game based firstly, on that.
I wouldn't expect barca to adapt their philosophies, same way i wouldn't expect Chelsea to.
We have a team equal of the talent and ability to match any, we shouldn't be going to anywhere hoping 'not to get beat'... we should be going to every game with a plan of action on how to win.
You would like a team that has just been formed, that met each other a few days ago, that at least half of it played in the World Cup and has fitness hangovers, to go one of the most settled and organised team's home ground and try to do them 3-0?
Look at it this way.
Win all of our home games = 57 points.
Draw against the top 8 away = 8 points.
Lose the odd few = 0 points
Beat the bottom 6 = 18 points.
57 + 8 + 18 = 83 points.
Most years that wins us the league.
Well now we only need 7 points against the top 8 away.. :) 82 to go.
GStar
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Damocles said:You would like a team that has just been formed, that met each other a few days ago, that at least half of it played in the World Cup and has fitness hangovers, to go one of the most settled and organised team's home ground and try to do them 3-0?
Look at it this way.
Win all of our home games = 57 points.
Draw against the top 8 away = 8 points.
Lose the odd few = 0 points
Beat the bottom 6 = 18 points.
57 + 8 + 18 = 83 points.
Most years that wins us the league.
If i meant that first bit, i would have said that ;)
But the excuses don't wash with me, international teams bring players from various clubs, playing various formations, with players playing out of position and create great football teams.
Brazil, Argentina, Holland, Spain etc
We're buying the best from the best international teams, they're fantastic talents that can adapt and play a number of given roles well. We're not at 100% yet, but any manager of a squad like ours that goes into a game "not to bet beat" isn't up to the job imo.
GStar said:zeven said:No at spurs away in our first game, with new. thats just sucide.
That's your opinion, i couldn't disagree more.
We should go into every match with a plan of how to win. These players are top quality, even with the time they need to fully adapt they can still produce against any opposition.
i am sure that was the plan to counter on the break and win the game but we cant all ways get what we want and getting a point and not conceding is the next best result is it not?
I also disagree that we have a better team than Chelsea, and it's madness to even suggest that we're anywhere near Barca's team. Player for player, they consistently both beat us.
Anyway, if we get to a level where we are as strong as these teams we can then start thinking about going to win at the Bridge, OT, Emirates or WHL. Until then though, we do it ugly. Success is the only thing that matters, not performances, not how we set out against certain teams. We are NOT Abramovich. Success is good enough, I don't care if it's ugly or not.
A draw at WHL is better than us, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal all did there last season. It's a bloody hard place to go and a point at this stage of the season is an excellent result
Anyway, if we get to a level where we are as strong as these teams we can then start thinking about going to win at the Bridge, OT, Emirates or WHL. Until then though, we do it ugly. Success is the only thing that matters, not performances, not how we set out against certain teams. We are NOT Abramovich. Success is good enough, I don't care if it's ugly or not.
A draw at WHL is better than us, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal all did there last season. It's a bloody hard place to go and a point at this stage of the season is an excellent result
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Damocles said:GStar said:Really?
The top teams don't adapt in any major way than perhaps a rotation here or there. They play to their strengths first, believeing that they will win the game based firstly, on that.
I wouldn't expect barca to adapt their philosophies, same way i wouldn't expect Chelsea to.
We have a team equal of the talent and ability to match any, we shouldn't be going to anywhere hoping 'not to get beat'... we should be going to every game with a plan of action on how to win.
You would like a team that has just been formed, that met each other a few days ago, that at least half of it played in the World Cup and has fitness hangovers, to go one of the most settled and organised team's home ground and try to do them 3-0?
So how do you explain last seasons home game against them? There's no excuse for what happened that night.
GStar
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leewill31 said:GStar said:That's your opinion, i couldn't disagree more.
We should go into every match with a plan of how to win. These players are top quality, even with the time they need to fully adapt they can still produce against any opposition.
i am sure that was the plan to counter on the break and win the game but we cant all ways get what we want and getting a point and not conceding is the next best result is it not?
Haha, yep, a draw is the next best thing after a win.
But we played most of the match without a striker, we played the entire game without anyone making any central movement towards the box and we played a slow controlled build up which doesn't make me think we went to White Hart Lane and looked to counter.