Tour De France 2013

Shands said:
Rascal said:
Interesting stuff lads.

From what you have been saying it does sound like a massive missed opportunity as i dont expect Porte to have another bad day like Sunday. Team Sky apart from Froome had a collective shocker especially in losing Kiri, but now they have a few flat days were they can recuperate ready for Ventoux or will the other teams force Sky to chase all week? And if Sky have to chase Cav would be made up surely as his train can sit in the peloton and make it easier for them for stage wins.


Do you think Porte being out of the GC is a good or bad thing? Can he concentrate on just helping Froome now his podium chances are gone. On saturday he attacked and maybe that took more out of him that he realised and now he doesnt have too at all because if Froome goes he can rest up and ride in.

I don't think Porte being out of GC makes a great deal of difference to be honest Rascal. First and foremost his job coming into the tour was to protect Froome, and bury himself on his behalf if needed, that hasn't changed. The podium was always going to be a bonus for him. On the negative side it limits Sky tactically somewhat, but balancing that out Porte can now conserve energy in the individual time trials if he wishes, so it's neither good nor bad in that sense. I think they would have preferred him still to be right up there in GC but it's not a massive blow (provided of course it's a one off and not symptomatic of an inability to handle back to back mountain stages in this heat)

As for your other question about this week, that's a real wait and see one. Normally Sky would be looking at a serene few days where the sprint trains take the lead, and that still may be the case, but I wouldn't rule out other teams trying to test their strength out on the flat, especially if the wind blows and theirs the chance of echelons. To some extent the complete dominance Froome showed on Saturday could end up counting against him. With such a large margin of victory in one fell swoop he effectively took a lot of good riders and even whole teams (i.e FDJ, Europcar, even BMC to a degree) out of the GC picture. Those guys will still want something from the tour, i.e stage wins or shows of strength, and with the shackles off they may be looking to animate the race as much as possible. Fractured racing means Sky will have to concentrate to make sure people of danger aren't sneakily slipping off the front in to breaks. Alternatively it may be the sprint teams who take the lead in controlling things with a really high pace, which again could be punishing for all the Peleton and particularly Sky if Sunday is any indicator.

Ultimately the riders make the race so we'll just have to see how they choose to play it.

Course that could all be rubbish! :)

Sky's backroom team have a lot of work to do this week, getting everyone fully fit and ready for Sunday. I wouldnt expect them to struggle on Ventoux, its going to be doing it back to back, like Shands said, the following week where a lot of questions will be asked.

Other than if its windy, i would say we are in for a quiet week re GC, tomorrow is pan flat, then there is a ITT, then another flat stage, at bit more lumpy on Friday but still a sprinter stage for me and Sat looks like a puncheur day unless Cannondale ruin everyone again. Then it all kicks off on Sunday, with a bit of luck England will roll the Aussies inside 4 days so i can dedicate all my effort on Ventoux!!!

Cav to win tomorrow and become the most successful rider in road stages in tour history (ie taking TTs out of the number of wins)

As for it could all be rubbish, well so could i, thats all part of the fun isnt it?? I consider myself quite well informed on most sports, but i've lost count of the number of times i've said, what do i know (followed by cursing whatever jockey normally!!)... but thats what makes sport great, no script, just history unfolding before your eyes.
 
Just back from a cycling holiday (C2C) and missed the last three days but watched highlight show last night on ITV 4. How good was Froome destroying the field with Porte and then to hang on on his own the next day. There's no one near him at the moment and for me it's a shoe-in. But what do I know ;)

My C2C trip was great too. Done it before twice but this time I did it with four of my non-cycling mates and they all loved it too. They're up for another cycling holiday next year. That's four more I've converted! :)

Good thread lads.
 
Quite a dull day in GC terms, lots of teams able to find their legs in the peloton

The sprint was interesting, Cav did make contact with the faller, he moved left following the train and brought him down, wonder if the commissare will have anything to say. Cav will no doubt have a lot to say to his team, left hopelessly out of position, he burned Steegmans to get back to the front and was left trying to find a wheel which caused the crash, not intentional but his fault none the less.
 
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
Quite a dull day in GC terms, lots of teams able to find their legs in the peloton

The sprint was interesting, Cav did make contact with the faller, he moved left following the train and brought him down, wonder if the commissare will have anything to say. Cav will no doubt have a lot to say to his team, left hopelessly out of position, he burned Steegmans to get back to the front and was left trying to find a wheel which caused the crash, not intentional but his fault none the less.
Do you think they'll have words? Looked avoidable tbh but cav stopped sprinting so it didn't help him.
 
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
Quite a dull day in GC terms, lots of teams able to find their legs in the peloton

The sprint was interesting, Cav did make contact with the faller, he moved left following the train and brought him down, wonder if the commissare will have anything to say. Cav will no doubt have a lot to say to his team, left hopelessly out of position, he burned Steegmans to get back to the front and was left trying to find a wheel which caused the crash, not intentional but his fault none the less.

He he he id not posted as i dont want to spoil the result for anyone if they have the highlights on now. But i think its OK as Shands said we should know by now to ignore this thread if we want to watch the highlights :)

I thought the GC teams worried about the wind messed up the sprint teams trains. At want point Argos lost Kittel so must have done great work to get him back in there and i think you are right Cav will be a bear with a sore head with his team. Hope Degenkolb is OK he is one my fave riders.

Dead chuffed though i had first 4 home in my fantasy team and it would have been 5 if i hadnt transferred Bonnet out the other day.
 
Rascal said:
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
Quite a dull day in GC terms, lots of teams able to find their legs in the peloton

The sprint was interesting, Cav did make contact with the faller, he moved left following the train and brought him down, wonder if the commissare will have anything to say. Cav will no doubt have a lot to say to his team, left hopelessly out of position, he burned Steegmans to get back to the front and was left trying to find a wheel which caused the crash, not intentional but his fault none the less.

He he he id not posted as i dont want to spoil the result for anyone if they have the highlights on now. But i think its OK as Shands said we should know by now to ignore this thread if we want to watch the highlights :)

I thought the GC teams worried about the wind messed up the sprint teams trains. At want point Argos lost Kittel so must have done great work to get him back in there and i think you are right Cav will be a bear with a sore head with his team. Hope Degenkolb is OK he is one my fave riders.

Dead chuffed though i had first 4 home in my fantasy team and it would have been 5 if i hadnt transferred Bonnet out the other day.

Stop stirring El Pres... he said it was ok when i put the result in spoilers the other day!!

You've done well getting them all in your team!! I think a lot of us had Cav, Sagan and Greipel though.
 
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
Stop stirring El Pres... he said it was ok when i put the result in spoilers the other day!!

You've done well getting them all in your team!! I think a lot of us had Cav, Sagan and Greipel though.

LOL i know mate just having a bit of fun :)

At 3km Cav has 6 of his train with him they do a turn and it looks like Cav loses 3 of them
 
Rascal said:
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
Stop stirring El Pres... he said it was ok when i put the result in spoilers the other day!!

You've done well getting them all in your team!! I think a lot of us had Cav, Sagan and Greipel though.

LOL i know mate just having a bit of fun :)

At 3km Cav has 6 of his train with him they do a turn and it looks like Cav loses 3 of them

With great power comes great responsibility!

They couldnt quite match Lotto and got boxed off, cant imagine that would have happened to HTC Columbia with Bernie Eisel controlling and Mark Renshaw leading out.
 
Wow Cav stealing the tape recorder from the American Journo. He is angry today.
 
Cav looked really pissed off there. I think he's pissed at his team, and I'd guess there will be strong words on that team coach. Happy with the judges as well for not taking any action on the crash.
 

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