Towns & Cities that are F----d.

I was stuck working around the Holmfirth area for about a year, not my kind of gig. Country bumpkins, local place for local people sort of place. Very anti anything Manchester, other than the odd armchair United fan, but they've never been. Same for Leeds, 'why would we go there, they're city folk'. Met too many people of this ilk for it to be a coincidence, I couldn't live round there if it was free.
Lol, I know what you mean, but its like that anywhere generally in the countryside, its not quite "The Hills Have Eyes". As regards the anti Manchester thing, ive not really experienced that unless you go on purely about football in which case, mention you're a City fan and you'll get bitterness in spades.
 
When we lived in Oldham we'd go up that area to escape sometimes in the hills, lovely as long as you didn't need to converse with any locals.

I get that. I have been out walking and running around some of the reservoirs there and further towards the Peak District. You're not gonna get much back off the locals by way of friendly conversation.
 
I was stuck working around the Holmfirth area for about a year, not my kind of gig. Country bumpkins, local place for local people sort of place. Very anti anything Manchester, other than the odd armchair United fan, but they've never been. Same for Leeds, 'why would we go there, they're city folk'. Met too many people of this ilk for it to be a coincidence, I couldn't live round there if it was free.
In fairness, hardly a town that's 'f**ked'. I quite like the place but, then again, I live in Glossop where the locals greet each other with high sixes.
 
I've heard, on another forum that downtown San Francisco is chocked with weirdos and homeless . Big stores pulling out, Westfield, H&M, Nordstrom all leaving apparently.
Perhaps fogblue can enlighten us.


The Westfield Mall always sucked. Right on the border of a transitional area (not far from the Civic Center and the Tenderloin mentioned in the video). Right near the Four Seasons which I have said and thought for years was an absolutely stupid place for a nice hotel. Not surprising that in a town where online shopping is all the rage already AND given its location AND given COVID has created a "hollowing out" as so many firms here are hybrid or fully-remote who used to be downtown that the mall is failing. I should note that unlike NYC, Chicago, DC and number of other major metros, SF's high-rise office area is not intermingled with residential/shopping/restaurants the same way, which means once the FiDi (Financial District) emptied out post-COVID, it's been very hard to re-create the need for people to come back.

All that said . . . yes, the city has some problems that COVID has made worse. If left unchecked it will create a secular decline here that could be scary (though since I'm nearing the end of my career, I can leave). But the areas of the city outside of the CC/Tenderloin and surrounds remain generally clean and generally safe as they have been for a long while. So come visit!
 

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