Trade Union membership

[kronkonite]

can't drive and cornily rarely claim expenses

my payment is watching some sexist wanker get demoted!

 

[mackenzie]

Ronnie, the key word there is "fortunate."

And why would any boss rather close their business down than have a Union in it??

Is it because he knows he could start again whilst not giving a sod about those who work for him?

quite the reverse, he is the most generous caring person I know, he's deffo a better man than me. He would consider a union as an infringement or maybe an infection would be a better word. We only put employment contracts in because it's the law - nobody has ever needed one. He would shut the thing down then start up without a union and employ the same staff if he could. You are right that I am fortunate, maybe his enlightened methods are the future

He's the most generous caring person you know until something bites him on the arse. And how anyone could consider a Union as an "infection" is truly beyond the pale as far as I am concerned.

Honest here Ronnie, I know the type you refer to. My Aunt is the same.

I'm not getting at you.

It's just that sometimes these "nice" people are only happy if it all goes their way.

 

[barney10]

This is when Solidarity is needed. Easier said than done though.

exactly my point

some places are run in such a way that it is near impossible to introduce it

the staff turnover is so massive that they would be bankrupt within the year..

I'm currently trying to organise in a company with 50/60 employee's and your right it is no easy task. The workforce have a pay issue and we can represent those who are with us individually but as Zuby says a few off site meetings and I'm confident we can get the numbers to secure recognition.
Private employers shouldn't fear our involvement in my experience those who have been resistant at first soon see the benefits of negotiating with a recognised union.

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

a union isn't always the answer, I am fortunate to work for a really great company who look after their staff. The guy who owns it would rather close it down than have a union in and in reality we don't need one anyway because it would take away the flexibility we have to deal with staff as individuals

Ronnie, the key word there is "fortunate."

And why would any boss rather close their business down than have a Union in it??

Is it because he knows he could start again whilst not giving a sod about those who work for him?

A boss runs a business to make money. A boss or company is not there to provide employment just for the sake of it. The only 'boss' that does this the government. This is one of the reasons why the public sector costs so much money and is ineffecient. For every 5 decent hard working public servants there is probably 2 total 'waste of space' who are still there because its nearly impossible to get rid off, partly due to union backing.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

quite the reverse, he is the most generous caring person I know, he's deffo a better man than me. He would consider a union as an infringement or maybe an infection would be a better word. We only put employment contracts in because it's the law - nobody has ever needed one. He would shut the thing down then start up without a union and employ the same staff if he could. You are right that I am fortunate, maybe his enlightened methods are the future

He's the most generous caring person you know until something bites him on the arse. And how anyone could consider a Union as an "infection" is truly beyond the pale as far as I am concerned.

Honest here Ronnie, I know the type you refer to. My Aunt is the same.

I'm not getting at you.

It's just that sometimes these "nice" people are only happy if it all goes their way.

maybe your experience has coloured your views and I have worked for some complete two faced tossers as well but this guy is the genuine article. He treats everyone with respect, we have minimum rules and we attract either people who find the atmosphere and the freedom exciting and stimulating or those who think that they can hide and do nothing because nobody will check up on them (but they stand out like a sore thumb). I was sceptical at first but it works!

 

[barney10]

A boss runs a business to make money. A boss or company is not there to provide employment just for the sake of it. The only 'boss' that does this the government. This is one of the reasons why the public sector costs so much money and is ineffecient. For every 5 decent hard working public servants there is probably 2 total 'waste of space' who are still there because its nearly impossible to get rid off, partly due to union backing.[/quote]

Believe me it is not nigh on impossible not to be dismissed in the public sector yet another myth pedaled.
As long as any employer follows its own procedures correctly they shouldn't have any problem dismissing an employee.
The fact is most of them are piss poor and haven't got a clue, no rep worth his or her salt is going to have them if they balls it up.

 

[scorer]

Been a rep for 25 years it's harder to be noticed nowadays
dealt with many issues that would never have been resolved in favour of the member without union membership

Hard work but very rewarding

Bet you haven't got a big fancy car or ludicrous expenses have you?

;-)

Nah..... that comes two or three rungs up the ladder.

No problem with the guys on the ground that walk out with the members and lose the same pay. It's the overpaid hypocrites that sit above the workers I detest.

Tony Woodley
Bob Crow
and so on....

 

[kronkonite]

bob crow walks the walk mate....

tony woodley well he has to listen to his members whether he likes it or not

 

[foxy]

Depends what you want from the union and what sector you are in. The role of unions has changed over the last 3 governments. Since New labour the unions play a more partnership role where they work alongside management as opposed to being in conflict. Under old labour unions were strong due to the inluence of collective bargaining. However when the tories got in power Thatcher restricted unions through legislation and Management took a unitary perspective towards dealing with issues in the work place and unions had less influence.

Since Blair initiatives were set up under the third way to help this such as having union learner reps, health and safety reps which can aid organisations quite a lot. Learner reps are able to provide training to members of staff which can boost their skills and C.V and costs very little to their employers. Health and Safety reps have saved companies thousands by carrying out internal inspections and making reccomendations.

If your union provides learner reps and you fancy gaining quals or you think you may face tribunal in the work place at some stage in your life then it may be worth it. If you get on with your employer and they provide a soft HRM approach where they see their employers as assets and value them then I wouldn't bother.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

bob crow walks the walk mate....

tony woodley well he has to listen to his members whether he likes it or not

Bob Crow is an arse of the lowest order. The BA issue could have been resolved if there wasn't a handful of militants stirring up the sh*t