trade unions

[thorpeblue]

Here's a radical idea for you law74, instead of striking why don't you launch yourself back into the private sector, get back the 150 quid a month you lost, extra 50 quid on you're pension you're still 100 quid up, and you probably won't have to do 20 hour days! Winner! Means or whatever that means bollox you spout is!

 

[cyberblue]

Never fails to amaze me when workers who have been shafted
with their pensions in the private sector and did fook all about it
now wish the same on fellow workers in the public sector

same old tories...divide and rule...and some of you fall for it every time

If you're on about me, I work in the public sector.

It never fails to amaze me that some workers in the public sector believe they should be immune from the cuts that have had to take place in the private sector!

But why should the workers bare the brunt ? Politicians .bankers, Lords & Ladies ,Generals ,Admirals, Leaders of industry always tell us to tighten our belts but never do so themselves .Trade Unions fought for years but decent conditions .they never shafted the country the politicans did that yet we are made to suffer

 

[waterloo blue]

Of course, we should go back to the days when, in the interests of greed and profit, ordinary hard-working people had no choice other than to work inhumane hours in sub-human conditions and when they became ill, and when they were maimed or even killed in "occupational hazards" they were just written off as collateral damage, their families paid off with a few bob - often literally and only then if they were lucky.

And while the parents are working their fingers to the bone, why not shove their kids up chimneys and while we're at it, why not overfill ships too in the name of profiteering? After all, who cares if a ship goes down with all hands lost?

It wouldn't surprise me if there were a few micro-capitalists or petite bourgeoisie on here who would settle for these kind of 19th century working malpractices in exchange for a pocket full of gold.

I genuinely despair, but I despair more for anyone who works - regardless of what they do, where they work or where they are in the food chain - and aligns themselves with Lord Snooty and his pals rather than stumping up their union subs.

With the end of this month being the likely starting point for industrial action, and the obvious flashpoint being the Tory Conference in Manchester in October, we could well be heading for a(nother) winter of discontent.

Now's the time to make a stand. You're either with us or against us, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm pretty sure we have enough H&S laws in place to prevent any of the above happening regardless of unions existing or not.

The rhetoric around kids up chimneys and the such do your argument no favours at all.

I am sympathetic to the PS workers pension plight who are being asked to take an effective pay cut, its hardly their fault they were offered these benefits with the job, but that sympathy is not bottomless so, as I suspect we will get significant strike action later, rather than constructive dialog, this year, put me in the "against" camp

The reason we have OHS laws is the unions,you don't honestly think the Gradgrinds runnings mills and factories would willingly have let the workers have eight hour days,paid holidays,a safe working enviroment and pensions rewarding them for loyal service,if the union movement hadn't twisted their arm a bit,do you?.
Saying that they have not kept up with the times and it may be time to re-evaluate such close ties to Labour.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Of course, we should go back to the days when, in the interests of greed and profit, ordinary hard-working people had no choice other than to work inhumane hours in sub-human conditions and when they became ill, and when they were maimed or even killed in "occupational hazards" they were just written off as collateral damage, their families paid off with a few bob - often literally and only then if they were lucky.

And while the parents are working their fingers to the bone, why not shove their kids up chimneys and while we're at it, why not overfill ships too in the name of profiteering? After all, who cares if a ship goes down with all hands lost?

It wouldn't surprise me if there were a few micro-capitalists or petite bourgeoisie on here who would settle for these kind of 19th century working malpractices in exchange for a pocket full of gold.

I genuinely despair, but I despair more for anyone who works - regardless of what they do, where they work or where they are in the food chain - and aligns themselves with Lord Snooty and his pals rather than stumping up their union subs.

With the end of this month being the likely starting point for industrial action, and the obvious flashpoint being the Tory Conference in Manchester in October, we could well be heading for a(nother) winter of discontent.

Now's the time to make a stand. You're either with us or against us, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm pretty sure we have enough H&S laws in place to prevent any of the above happening regardless of unions existing or not.

The rhetoric around kids up chimneys and the such do your argument no favours at all.

I am sympathetic to the PS workers pension plight who are being asked to take an effective pay cut, its hardly their fault they were offered these benefits with the job, but that sympathy is not bottomless so, as I suspect we will get significant strike action later, rather than constructive dialog, this year, put me in the "against" camp

The reason we have OHS laws is the unions,you don't honestly think the Gradgrinds runnings mills and factories would willingly have let the workers have eight hour days,paid holidays,a safe working enviroment and pensions rewarding them for loyal service,if the union movement hadn't twisted their arm a bit,do you?.
Saying that they have not kept up with the times and it may be time to re-evaluate such close ties to Labour.

^ I agree with this. The movement has to change completely imo.

Haven't got all the answers but cutting ties with The Labour Party could liberate them to some extent. Might even give them, ironically, much more political clout as their support could be up for grabs. They should be there for their members anyway. Is tying themselves down like that necessarily in their members' bests interests?

 

[TCIB]

BRING BACK MAGGIE for great justice :D

 

[Lucky13]

Never fails to amaze me when workers who have been shafted
with their pensions in the private sector and did fook all about it
now wish the same on fellow workers in the public sector

same old tories...divide and rule...and some of you fall for it every time

If you're on about me, I work in the public sector.

It never fails to amaze me that some workers in the public sector believe they should be immune from the cuts that have had to take place in the private sector!

But why should the workers bare the brunt ? Politicians .bankers, Lords & Ladies ,Generals ,Admirals, Leaders of industry always tell us to tighten our belts but never do so themselves .Trade Unions fought for years but decent conditions .they never shafted the country the politicans did that yet we are made to suffer

Check out the 1970's.

 

[metalblue]

Of course, we should go back to the days when, in the interests of greed and profit, ordinary hard-working people had no choice other than to work inhumane hours in sub-human conditions and when they became ill, and when they were maimed or even killed in "occupational hazards" they were just written off as collateral damage, their families paid off with a few bob - often literally and only then if they were lucky.

And while the parents are working their fingers to the bone, why not shove their kids up chimneys and while we're at it, why not overfill ships too in the name of profiteering? After all, who cares if a ship goes down with all hands lost?

It wouldn't surprise me if there were a few micro-capitalists or petite bourgeoisie on here who would settle for these kind of 19th century working malpractices in exchange for a pocket full of gold.

I genuinely despair, but I despair more for anyone who works - regardless of what they do, where they work or where they are in the food chain - and aligns themselves with Lord Snooty and his pals rather than stumping up their union subs.

With the end of this month being the likely starting point for industrial action, and the obvious flashpoint being the Tory Conference in Manchester in October, we could well be heading for a(nother) winter of discontent.

Now's the time to make a stand. You're either with us or against us, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm pretty sure we have enough H&S laws in place to prevent any of the above happening regardless of unions existing or not.

The rhetoric around kids up chimneys and the such do your argument no favours at all.

I am sympathetic to the PS workers pension plight who are being asked to take an effective pay cut, its hardly their fault they were offered these benefits with the job, but that sympathy is not bottomless so, as I suspect we will get significant strike action later, rather than constructive dialog, this year, put me in the "against" camp

The reason we have OHS laws is the unions,you don't honestly think the Gradgrinds runnings mills and factories would willingly have let the workers have eight hour days,paid holidays,a safe working enviroment and pensions rewarding them for loyal service,if the union movement hadn't twisted their arm a bit,do you?.
Saying that they have not kept up with the times and it may be time to re-evaluate such close ties to Labour.

No mate I don't underestimate the value of the unions in that regard (apologies if my post came over that way). Its like all these things they start by doing a great amount of good and then struggle to find a reason for being and then the madness sets in.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Rather this than another trip to Ikea for a sofa. God, the hellhole.

True. If you want to purhase a mere cup and saucer it involves a guided tour of every scrap of furniture ever made in Sweden, a trip in more lifts than a startrooper in one of the popular space films and a bewildering array of scissor lifs and fork-lifts to relieve the tedium.
Hellhole is a flattering description.

Then there's the meat balls.

Very useful as replacement castors if you are unfortunate enough to have purchased a '' Sigurd Ragnussen'' sofa bed.

 

[BimboBob]

True. If you want to purhase a mere cup and saucer it involves a guided tour of every scrap of furniture ever made in Sweden, a trip in more lifts than a startrooper in one of the popular space films and a bewildering array of scissor lifs and fork-lifts to relieve the tedium.
Hellhole is a flattering description.

Then there's the meat balls.

Very useful as replacement castors if you are unfortunate enough to have purchased a '' Sigurd Ragnussen'' sofa bed.

The food section is the only bit i go in...nowt wrong with the meatballs, the cheese nor the flat breads.

The cakes with the green bits on them are rank though.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Then there's the meat balls.

Very useful as replacement castors if you are unfortunate enough to have purchased a '' Sigurd Ragnussen'' sofa bed.

The food section is the only bit i go in...nowt wrong with the meatballs, the cheese nor the flat breads.

The cakes with the green bits on them are rank though.

Thats because they are drinks coasters,you doughnut...