Train Fares Going Up Again

[BTH]

The joys of the tory privatisation coming home to roost. parasites.

Is the railway system even privatised?

Yes and no.

Yes, because it was divided up and sold off by the Tories to their rich friends and friendly faces from abroad at a knockdown price. Hurrah! Trebles all round.

And no, because it takes more from the public purse in terms of subsidies than British Rail ever did. Boo, hiss. All aboard the Rail Replacement bus.

In short... privatised in profit, nationalised in debit.

 

[Rascal]

Renationalise tommorrow.

Unfortunatly the Labour party havent the bollocks to say they would do it.

How you can have a system that increases prices for customers, takes huge government subsidies and loans that are guareenteed by the tax payer whilst paying the owners of the franchises huge bonuses and shareholders dividends is just fucking beyond me.

Privatisation was supposed to increase competiton, instead it has given us things like the fucking ludicrous example of the small Wrexham based rail operator who ran a daily early morning train to London Marylebone. It could pick passengers up on route, but the passengers were not allowed to get off as it was only to take passengers to London.

That is just fucking stupid.

 

[hilts]

Renationalise tommorrow.

Unfortunatly the Labour party havent the bollocks to say they would do it.

How you can have a system that increases prices for customers, takes huge government subsidies and loans that are guareenteed by the tax payer whilst paying the owners of the franchises huge bonuses and shareholders dividends is just fucking beyond me.

Privatisation was supposed to increase competiton, instead it has given us things like the fucking ludicrous example of the small Wrexham based rail operator who ran a daily early morning train to London Marylebone. It could pick passengers up on route, but the passengers were not allowed to get off as it was only to take passengers to London.

That is just fucking stupid.

energy companies and public transport should all be nationailsed ideally but the problem is they are then run badly, as for train companies charging people for using trains may well help them as well, lost income must be rife

 

[mcfcliam]

Ever been on a Polish train?

9 hours from Krakow to Poznan on a fucking horse and cart type train. It'd take 2 hours here at most. I do agree though, there's paying premium for faster trains and better service and then there's our prices and average service. Shocking.

Have you ever been to an away game and not mentioned it on here?

It wasn't for a City game you prick. I went to watch Ireland. So what? I watch football, that's what I do and love. I'm sure you have your own interests which you like to share with people. Besides, this was about the news about Virgin Trains so why did you pipe up?

Morons like you are ruining the forum with your bitter little digs.

Not surprised tolmie's hairdoo fucked off with snide berks like you.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

In February 2001 I spent the weekend in Dublin on the piss. At about half four on the Saturday I wanted to find the City result and this being the days before you could watch every kick of the Premier League in every corner of the globe, I went to a department store and headed for their TV section awaiting 'Final Score'..

I remember this well because we were playing at away at Newcastle and we got a rare win courtesy of a Shaun Goater goal. I also remember this because in the TV section was what had to be a 50 inch TV which was 60,000 Euros, some 40,000 quid at the time. That TV (or its equivalent) would set you back around 1% of that price today a little over a decade later. And why is that?

Competition.

If I think a Sony doesn't give me value then I can buy a Panasonic. It is this consumer choice which has made manufacturers strive for competitive advantage over each other in terms of features and price which has meant that a product that was once only for the very rich is now widely accessible. This is capitalism at its finest.

If I don't like the service that I am getting from a train provider what can I do? In reality little other than to use an alternative mode of transport. Supporters of the current system would say that the competition occurs within the tendering process but this is a specious argument, not least because the interests of the consumer are subservient to other considerations within that process, not least the amount that the successful tenderer bungs the government in de facto tax revenue.

The capitalistic model does not work in this sector of the economy. It does not serve the common wider interests of society in any discernible manner.

The transport infrastructure should be in public hands in the public interest. This is not a matter of politics, but rather one of common sense.

 

[hilts]

In February 2001 I spent the weekend in Dublin on the piss. At about half four on the Saturday I wanted to find the City result and this being the days before you could watch every kick of the Premier League in every corner of the globe, I went to a department store and headed for their TV section awaiting 'Final Score'..

I remember this well because we were playing at away at Newcastle and we got a rare win courtesy of a Shaun Goater goal. I also remember this because in the TV section was what had to be a 50 inch TV which was 60,000 Euros, some 40,000 quid at the time. That TV (or its equivalent) would set you back around 1% of that price today a little over a decade later. And why is that?

Competition.

If I think a Sony doesn't give me value then I can buy a Panasonic. It is this consumer choice which has made manufacturers strive for competitive advantage over each other in terms of features and price which has meant that a product that was once only for the very rich is now widely accessible. This is capitalism at its finest.

If I don't like the service that I am getting from a train provider what can I do? In reality little other than to use an alternative mode of transport. Supporters of the current system would say that the competition occurs within the tendering process but this is a specious argument, not least because the interests of the consumer are subservient to other considerations within that process, not least the amount that the successful tenderer bungs the government in de facto tax revenue.

The capitalistic model does not work in this sector of the economy. It does not serve the common wider interests of society in any discernible manner.

The transport infrastructure should be in public hands in the public interest. This is not a matter of politics, but rather one of common sense.

do you accept that they tend to be run badly under government control?

 

[117 M34]

Ever been on a Polish train?

9 hours from Krakow to Poznan on a fucking horse and cart type train. It'd take 2 hours here at most. I do agree though, there's paying premium for faster trains and better service and then there's our prices and average service. Shocking.

Have you ever been to an away game and not mentioned it on here?

It wasn't for a City game you prick. I went to watch Ireland. So what? I watch football, that's what I do and love. I'm sure you have your own interests which you like to share with people. Besides, this was about the news about Virgin Trains so why did you pipe up?

Morons like you are ruining the forum with your bitter little digs.

Not surprised tolmie's hairdoo fucked off with snide berks like you.

Would you like to show some evidence of where I made TH 'fuck off?' - That was a rhetorical question as you won't find any.

I'm sure that the fact that you have been banned from this forum on numerous occasions suggests that people think that you were 'ruining this forum' more than myself.

And how would you define moron?
Oh, and most importantly, why am I bitter?

 

[mcfcliam]

Have you ever been to an away game and not mentioned it on here?

It wasn't for a City game you prick. I went to watch Ireland. So what? I watch football, that's what I do and love. I'm sure you have your own interests which you like to share with people. Besides, this was about the news about Virgin Trains so why did you pipe up?

Morons like you are ruining the forum with your bitter little digs.

Not surprised tolmie's hairdoo fucked off with snide berks like you.

Would you like to show some evidence of where I made TH 'fuck off?' - That was a rhetorical question as you won't find any.

I'm sure that the fact that you have been banned from this forum on numerous occasions suggests that people think that you were 'ruining this forum' more than myself.

And how would you define moron?
Oh, and most importantly, why am I bitter?

I didn't say you did personally, I said you're one of many idiots on here who make snide digs at others for no reason, hence why TH left.

Foe me if you don't like my posts, it'd be much easier and less stressful for you.

 

[117 M34]

Just the last question...

 

[Rascal]

In February 2001 I spent the weekend in Dublin on the piss. At about half four on the Saturday I wanted to find the City result and this being the days before you could watch every kick of the Premier League in every corner of the globe, I went to a department store and headed for their TV section awaiting 'Final Score'..

I remember this well because we were playing at away at Newcastle and we got a rare win courtesy of a Shaun Goater goal. I also remember this because in the TV section was what had to be a 50 inch TV which was 60,000 Euros, some 40,000 quid at the time. That TV (or its equivalent) would set you back around 1% of that price today a little over a decade later. And why is that?

Competition.

If I think a Sony doesn't give me value then I can buy a Panasonic. It is this consumer choice which has made manufacturers strive for competitive advantage over each other in terms of features and price which has meant that a product that was once only for the very rich is now widely accessible. This is capitalism at its finest.

If I don't like the service that I am getting from a train provider what can I do? In reality little other than to use an alternative mode of transport. Supporters of the current system would say that the competition occurs within the tendering process but this is a specious argument, not least because the interests of the consumer are subservient to other considerations within that process, not least the amount that the successful tenderer bungs the government in de facto tax revenue.

The capitalistic model does not work in this sector of the economy. It does not serve the common wider interests of society in any discernible manner.

The transport infrastructure should be in public hands in the public interest. This is not a matter of politics, but rather one of common sense.

do you accept that they tend to be run badly under government control?

I think GDM is right.

BR was run badly of that there is no doubt, as i remember it, it was ramshackle and run down. But its not the systems fault that it was so, it was the management who did badly.

Nationalise it and put people in charge who can run it properly, involve the unions as there members work on the floor and know what works and what doesnt. Public transport should be just that, public owned.