No IM not. Trayvon ran, ok. Zimmerman claims that Martin confronted him after he gave up chase. Isnt this possible? He doesn't contradict himself. So what's the problem with his testimony?Skashion said:Comedy, you're now taking a hypothetical and dismissing his own 9/11 call that Trayvon ran!
So you're saying he called 911 AFTER he shot him?corky1970 said:prairiemoon said:You two, seriously, consider clown college, youre laughable.
Truly, the hypocrisy is astounding.
Why didn't MArtin make it home? He's an athlete, he's young, he could easily have outran the older, overweight Zimmerman. But he didn't.
Zimmermans laborious breathing can be heard clearly on the tape. It's also clear when he stops following, because the heavy breathing lessens as he being asked questions about who he is and where he will be when the cops arrive.
A 4 minute phone cal, btw. So why didn't TRayvon make it home? 4 minutes is plenty of time.
The trouble is, Zimmermans account seems the more likely compared to your hypothesis.
if id just " yo ******" dead in cold blood for fuck all id be hyperventing too
nugget !
I suspect that many believe it is what actually happened.corky1970 said:prairiemoon said:So you're saying he called 911 AFTER he shot him?corky1970 said:if id just shot " yo ******" dead in cold blood for fuck all id be hyperventing too
nugget !
Nugget head.
isnt that what actually happened ??
prairiemoon said:You two, seriously, consider clown college, youre laughable.
Truly, the hypocrisy is astounding.
Why didn't MArtin make it home? He's an athlete, he's young, he could easily have outran the older, overweight Zimmerman. But he didn't.
Zimmermans laborious breathing can be heard clearly on the tape. It's also clear when he stops following, because the heavy breathing lessens as he being asked questions about who he is and where he will be when the cops arrive.
A 4 minute phone cal, btw. So why didn't TRayvon make it home? 4 minutes is plenty of time.
The trouble is, Zimmermans account seems the more likely compared to your hypothesis.
Bigga said:Holy sh*t!!
Remind me of the 'objectivity' within the first few pages.
Bigga said:Somehow, EJ, you find that the people protesting about the killing of a YOUNG, UNARMED man disturbing!!
Bigga said:Should I be shocked? Not really as I think you're playing the Race Card in your assessment. Even YOU find PrarieGoon guilty of racism (even if only 'mild', whatever that means!).
Bigga said:I think the majority of us are wondering where the justice is when someone can snatch a (young) man's life and claim freedom under some pathetic 'law'.
prairiemoon said:Trayvon on the other hand chose to assault someone for following him.
ElanJo said:Bigga said:Holy sh*t!!
Remind me of the 'objectivity' within the first few pages.
Read it yourself.
Bigga said:Somehow, EJ, you find that the people protesting about the killing of a YOUNG, UNARMED man disturbing!!
If only that is what the foamers were saying. Instead we got verdicts based on fuck all/incomplete/misleading/sensationalised evidence. And, of course, we got a few fuckwits calling/wishing for Zimmerman's murder.
Bigga said:Should I be shocked? Not really as I think you're playing the Race Card in your assessment. Even YOU find PrarieGoon guilty of racism (even if only 'mild', whatever that means!).
I'm not playing any race card. I was replying to the race card you and others hinted at. I didn't say that I find PM racist.
Mild means mild, not egregious. Cracker could be considered mildly racist. Talking about Black Culture as if it is synonymous with "thuglife" could be considered mildly racist, whether the person uttering it is white or black.
Bigga said:I think the majority of us are wondering where the justice is when someone can snatch a (young) man's life and claim freedom under some pathetic 'law'.
See my 2nd reply above.
Justice is a two way street. Martin deserves justice but so does Zimmerman.
prairiemoon said:Trayvon on the other hand chose to assault someone for following him.
Unfortunately you're now doing what they were doing. You don't know who attacked who and, AFAIK, there are no witnesses in this regard. (the main reason why I think *based on current evidence* Zimmerman will and should be found not guilty)
I've yet to find a crime map which is reliable and tracks their movements with any consistency. The only things which are certain are that Trayvon ran over a hundred metres from the clubhouse until at at least Zimmerman lost sight of him. The other thing is that the mailboxes where the police told him to meet them are in the opposite direction to where Trayvon was shot. If he does that, Trayvon's still alive. The other details haven't come to light. No-one seems to know what route Zimmerman or Trayvon took, or even likely took. There are a number of possibilities. Presumably Zimmerman told the police of his alleged route but that doesn't appear to be public domain yet.<br /><br />-- Tue May 29, 2012 6:20 am --<br /><br />seemedownkippaxstreet said:This discussion looks more and more like a waste of time. Prairiemoon presumably does not live in Florida so probably won't be on the jury when Zimmerman is tried - thank fuck.
Just wanted to add because SWP's back asked a couple of pages back where the 911 dispatcher tells Zimmerman not to follow Martin. It's in the transcript that Prairiemoon posted, the audio of which can be heard online.
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
GZ: Yes
Dispatcher: We don't need you to do that.
Prairiemoon seems to have constructed his whole blame the dead guy scenario on the following basis.
a) He had 4 minutes to run away, apparently. The fact he didn't succesfully run away before the man with a gun shot him proves he must have been up to summat and therefore deserved to get shot.
Weak. Callous.
Without the media frenzy, there'd be no trial. Now there is, twelve people on a jury will decide whether he's guilty.BulgarianPride said:Seems the saying "innocent until proven guilty" is thrown out the window. Turns out in certain media 'friendly' cases it is 'guilty until proven innocent'.
No, I have never claimed and in fact do not believe that he deserved to be shot. "getting what you deserve" and being responsible for your actions are not the same thing. The first implies some short of judgement. My only judgement of TM is that he made a really stupid decision. Yes, I do believe his death is unfortunate.seemedownkippaxstreet said:This discussion looks more and more like a waste of time. Prairiemoon presumably does not live in Florida so probably won't be on the jury when Zimmerman is tried - thank fuck.
Just wanted to add because SWP's back asked a couple of pages back where the 911 dispatcher tells Zimmerman not to follow Martin. It's in the transcript that Prairiemoon posted, the audio of which can be heard online.
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
GZ: Yes
Dispatcher: We don't need you to do that.
Prairiemoon seems to have constructed his whole blame the dead guy scenario on the following basis.
a) He had 4 minutes to run away, apparently. The fact he didn't succesfully run away before the man with a gun shot him proves he must have been up to summat and therefore deserved to get shot.
Weak. Callous.
You don't even know what decision he made. You are believing Zimmerman as though his testimony were gospel. You also talk about Trayvon Martin's 'bad decisions', what about the decision of the ARMED older man to follow Trayvon Martin instead of go to the mailboxes like the police asked, and yet you still assume Trayvon is responsible, or more responsible, than Zimmerman!prairiemoon said:My only judgement of TM is that he made a really stupid decision. Yes, I do believe his death is unfortunate.
I do not have enough information to decide.prairiemoon said:http://www.inquisitr.com/208155/trayvons-last-call-girlfriend-told-him-to-run/
Is this credible?
Like all the other fucking cowards that walk around with guns.royle said:Another point that should be made,would Zimmerman have followed Martin if he didn't have the gun,i suspect he wouldn't have,i suspect he followed him in the knowledge that with the gun,whatever situation he got into, he would always have the last word.
And yet you are dismissing it out of hand.Skashion said:You don't even know what decision he made. You are believing Zimmerman as though his testimony were gospel.prairiemoon said:My only judgement of TM is that he made a really stupid decision. Yes, I do believe his death is unfortunate.
Which may or may not be true, however, he did so legally and that is the fault of the US gun laws.Dubai Blue said:Like all the other fucking cowards that walk around with guns.royle said:Another point that should be made,would Zimmerman have followed Martin if he didn't have the gun,i suspect he wouldn't have,i suspect he followed him in the knowledge that with the gun,whatever situation he got into, he would always have the last word.
When the other guy has been killed and so cannot give their version of events, when there are no eyewitnesses to contradict you, and lying is your only way of avoiding prison, I might be a wee bit suspicious. As already discussed, if Zimmerman walks in the opposite direction to Trayvon, back to the mailboxes near the clubhouse, as requested by the police, there'd have been no death, or if Trayvon had gotten into a fight with him on that route the balance of evidence would be clearly on Zimmerman's side. The opposite is the case. Zimmerman, an armed man, chose to follow the unarmed kid and Trayvon was killed en-route to his home rather than en-route to the mailboxes. As to any other details, we cannot be sure what happened, as stated, because it does not appear to be public domain even what Zimmerman alleges happened. Once we know the positionings of who and at what time we might be able to piece it together.SWP's back said:And yet you are dismissing it out of hand.