Skashion
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Doesn't seem to be.Dzeko & Hyde said:
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Trayvon Martin
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ElanJo
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Jumanji said:So in the US, you can pick a fight with anyone and then execute them if they fight back?
No.
How so?Dzeko & Hyde said:Jumanji said:So in the US, you can pick a fight with anyone and then execute them if they fight back?
It's a little more complex than that.
Dzeko & Hyde
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Skashion said:Doesn't seem to be.Dzeko & Hyde said:Jumanji said:So in the US, you can pick a fight with anyone and then execute them if they fight back?
It's a little more complex than that.
You need a sample size larger than one.
Skashion
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I'd agree with that. If you could find me a number of similar cases where self-defence had been rejected in the same circumstances, with manslaughter convictions, I'll happily withdraw a number of my comments about murderer's charters.Dzeko & Hyde said:You need a sample size larger than one.
Dzeko & Hyde
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Jumanji said:How so?Dzeko & Hyde said:Jumanji said:So in the US, you can pick a fight with anyone and then execute them if they fight back?
It's a little more complex than that.
In Florida, you can kill if your own life is endangered. That was his defense.<br /><br />-- Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:40 pm --<br /><br />
Skashion said:I'd agree with that. If you could find me a number of similar cases where self-defence had been rejected in the same circumstances, with manslaughter convictions, I'll happily withdraw a number of my comments about murderer's charters.Dzeko & Hyde said:You need a sample size larger than one.
It's past my bedtime. Besides in the U.S. we believe in free though and free speech, so have at it. :)
dazdon
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Watching the placard waving numpties screaming for Zimmermans blood is hilarious.
Justice has been served and they should leave it...or it quite simply isn't justice.
Justice has been served and they should leave it...or it quite simply isn't justice.
mcmanus
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Wow. Is that his sister who looks like a Yank Keeley Hazell. ......swing.
Skashion
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That is admirable but your government certainly doesn't.Dzeko & Hyde said:It's past my bedtime. Besides in the U.S. we believe in free though and free speech, so have at it. :)
Lucky13
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What do we want , free tv's, when do we want them, now.
dazdon
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Lucky13 said:What do we want , free tv's, when do we want them, now.
Hahahahahahaha :-)
Bigga
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So I have been reading the tenuous arguments for the acquittal of Zimmerman. The reason for the killing was a feeling of his 'life being endangered'?
This goes back to my original point a few pages back. When you don't have the opposing witness to hand, how can you truly prove this 'endangerment'? It could only be circumstantial evidence told from one point of view. So, if that's the case, how could the prosecution ever truly build a tight case with so few witnesses to the event, from start to finish??
This is one of those 'loophole' cases where corroborative evidence 'supports' Zimmerman's story, even if he was the one carrying the killing weapon!! Martin had no weapons, just his fists(unlicensed weapons) and Zimmerman had a firearm as well as his own fists.
I am bemused by the whole affair.
This goes back to my original point a few pages back. When you don't have the opposing witness to hand, how can you truly prove this 'endangerment'? It could only be circumstantial evidence told from one point of view. So, if that's the case, how could the prosecution ever truly build a tight case with so few witnesses to the event, from start to finish??
This is one of those 'loophole' cases where corroborative evidence 'supports' Zimmerman's story, even if he was the one carrying the killing weapon!! Martin had no weapons, just his fists(unlicensed weapons) and Zimmerman had a firearm as well as his own fists.
I am bemused by the whole affair.
Super David Silva 21
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Was reading up about this case and then came across this.....
TAMPA, Fla. -- Marissa Alexander had never been arrested before she fired a bullet at a wall one day in 2010 to scare off her husband when she felt he was threatening her. Nobody got hurt, but this month a northeast Florida judge was bound by state law to sentence her to 20 years in prison.
Alexander, a 31-year-old mother of a toddler and 11-year-old twins, knew it was coming. She had claimed self-defense, tried to invoke Florida's "stand your ground" law and rejected plea deals that could have gotten her a much shorter sentence. A jury found her guilty as charged: aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Because she fired a gun while committing a felony, Florida's mandatory-minimum gun law dictated the 20-year sentence.
Her case in Jacksonville has drawn a fresh round of criticism aimed at mandatory-minimum sentencing laws. The local NAACP chapter and the district's African-American congresswoman say blacks more often are incarcerated for long periods because of overzealous prosecutors and judges bound by the wrong-headed statute. Alexander is black.
It also has added fuel to the controversy over Florida's "stand your ground" law, which the judge would not allow Alexander to invoke. State Attorney Angela Corey, who also is overseeing the prosecution of shooter George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case, stands by the handling of Alexander's case. Corey says she believes Alexander aimed the gun at the man and his two sons, and the bullet she fired could have ricocheted and hit any of them.
At the May 11 sentencing, Alexander's relatives begged Circuit Judge James Daniel for leniency but he said the decision was "out of my hands."
"The Legislature has not given me the discretion to do what the family and many others have asked me to do," he said.
The state's "10-20-life" law was implemented in 1999 and credited with helping to lower the violent crime rate. Anyone who shows a gun in the commission of certain felonies gets an automatic 10 years in prison. Fire the gun, and it's an automatic 20 years. Shoot and wound someone, and it's 25 years to life.
Critics say Alexander's case underscores the unfair sentences that can result when laws strip judges of discretion. About two-thirds of the states have mandatory-minimum sentencing laws, mostly for drug crimes, according to a website for the Families Against Mandatory Minimums advocacy group.
"We're not saying she's not guilty of a crime, we're not saying that she doesn't deserve some sort of sanction by the court," said Greg Newburn, Florida director for the group. Rather, he said, the judge should have the authority to decide an appropriate sanction after hearing all the unique circumstances of the case
TAMPA, Fla. -- Marissa Alexander had never been arrested before she fired a bullet at a wall one day in 2010 to scare off her husband when she felt he was threatening her. Nobody got hurt, but this month a northeast Florida judge was bound by state law to sentence her to 20 years in prison.
Alexander, a 31-year-old mother of a toddler and 11-year-old twins, knew it was coming. She had claimed self-defense, tried to invoke Florida's "stand your ground" law and rejected plea deals that could have gotten her a much shorter sentence. A jury found her guilty as charged: aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Because she fired a gun while committing a felony, Florida's mandatory-minimum gun law dictated the 20-year sentence.
Her case in Jacksonville has drawn a fresh round of criticism aimed at mandatory-minimum sentencing laws. The local NAACP chapter and the district's African-American congresswoman say blacks more often are incarcerated for long periods because of overzealous prosecutors and judges bound by the wrong-headed statute. Alexander is black.
It also has added fuel to the controversy over Florida's "stand your ground" law, which the judge would not allow Alexander to invoke. State Attorney Angela Corey, who also is overseeing the prosecution of shooter George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case, stands by the handling of Alexander's case. Corey says she believes Alexander aimed the gun at the man and his two sons, and the bullet she fired could have ricocheted and hit any of them.
At the May 11 sentencing, Alexander's relatives begged Circuit Judge James Daniel for leniency but he said the decision was "out of my hands."
"The Legislature has not given me the discretion to do what the family and many others have asked me to do," he said.
The state's "10-20-life" law was implemented in 1999 and credited with helping to lower the violent crime rate. Anyone who shows a gun in the commission of certain felonies gets an automatic 10 years in prison. Fire the gun, and it's an automatic 20 years. Shoot and wound someone, and it's 25 years to life.
Critics say Alexander's case underscores the unfair sentences that can result when laws strip judges of discretion. About two-thirds of the states have mandatory-minimum sentencing laws, mostly for drug crimes, according to a website for the Families Against Mandatory Minimums advocacy group.
"We're not saying she's not guilty of a crime, we're not saying that she doesn't deserve some sort of sanction by the court," said Greg Newburn, Florida director for the group. Rather, he said, the judge should have the authority to decide an appropriate sanction after hearing all the unique circumstances of the case
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Zimmerman acquitted on all charges.
This is going to be fun.
This is going to be fun.
johnny on the spot said:Zimmerman acquitted on all charges.
This is going to be fun.
I can picture didactic running from the gym trailing a towel as he rushes home to his pc.
What a fucked up country America can be at times. They have some seriously shit laws in place that have allowed this to happen.
Josh Blue
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johnny on the spot said:Zimmerman acquitted on all charges.
This is going to be fun.
The U.S.A - One of the most racist nations on earth. Always has been, always will be.
basokla
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floridablues said:Being from Florida I can say I have kept myself updated on this case and I'm just glad to see the trial be over now. Wether or not you agree with the verdict you cannot argue and say that the trial was unfair or biased because it was a fair case and with the evidence that was brought forth SIX jurors unanimously decided based on the evidence they were shown that Zimmerman was acting in self defense. While its terrible that Trayvon had to die those who try to portay him as an innocent and sweet 17 year old boy clearly just are turning a blind eye to the facts. People should be informed of the whole case when voicing there opinion. But everyone is entitled to their opinions and that's just me voicing mine :)
Very well said.
basokla said:floridablues said:Being from Florida I can say I have kept myself updated on this case and I'm just glad to see the trial be over now. Wether or not you agree with the verdict you cannot argue and say that the trial was unfair or biased because it was a fair case and with the evidence that was brought forth SIX jurors unanimously decided based on the evidence they were shown that Zimmerman was acting in self defense. While its terrible that Trayvon had to die those who try to portay him as an innocent and sweet 17 year old boy clearly just are turning a blind eye to the facts. People should be informed of the whole case when voicing there opinion. But everyone is entitled to their opinions and that's just me voicing mine :)
Very well said.
That's not well said at all. How was he not a "sweet,innocent" and 17 year old boy? I'm sure some fucking moron like frank the yank will come accuse me of not watching enough cable news but this is ridiculous as anything said about trayvon is typical teenage behaviour .I just hope someone follows Zimmerman around, waits for him to react then stands their ground and murders him. It's legal after all.