Trouble in Belfast

[cockneycarparkm32]

And when the Majority vote to leave the United Kingdom or vote not to be crown dependencies i guess they will be allowed to leave and have someone else's flag flown over them but until then in a democracy the wishes of the many and all that.

The democratic decision not to fly the flag everyday does not seem to have gone down well.

I must have missed the referendum result when was it held.

I know it was called the Good Friday Agreement

 

[i kne albert davy]

The democratic decision not to fly the flag everyday does not seem to have gone down well.

I must have missed the referendum result when was it held.

Democracy is not about putting everything to the public vote. Society would be completely swamped with referendums if it were. The population elected the politicians. If the politicians make decisions the population doesn't like, you can protest if you like, but the only way to change such decisions in a democratic society is to vote for different politicians next time around.

It is not hard to understand. But it is fundamental to a civilised society.

I agree the rule of law is paramount and resorting to violence is completely counter productive and usually means you've lost the argument by any other means,but what gets to me is the majority of Northern Ireland's people wish to remain as part of the united Kingdom even i believe a majority of Northern Irish Catholic's do, obviously less so than the protestants but still a majority so what i can't see is why the Councillors take it upon themselves to haul down the National flag when it was likely to provoke problems is beyond me that's all.<br /><br />-- Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:49 pm --<br /><br />

The democratic decision not to fly the flag everyday does not seem to have gone down well.

I must have missed the referendum result when was it held.

I know it was called the Good Friday Agreement

There's also the 1998 Northern Ireland act where the British Government Guarantees to follow the wishes of the majority of the Northern Irish people.

 

[Lost Pilot]

The scary thing is the amount of Extreme right wing groups taking advanced of people's concerns over their Fleg/Cultural identity i.e. the BNP as well as other idependant failed politicians looking to make a name for themselves.

As Sammy Wilson from the DUP said the other day, if you want the Fleg back up, turn out at the next council elections and actually vote for your representative in order for a new vote to be held regarding the Fleg.

The Alliance party held the deciding vote, the same Alliance party that were voted into parliament by the people of East Belfast ahead of DUP Leader and First Minister Peter Robinson, probably why the DUP decided to start a smear campaign against them and Naomi Long over this whole situation.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

As someone bemused, frustrated in opposition to the violence and demonstrations...i find this quite bewildering too...

There are 18 days on which the fleg will be flown above Belfast City Hal, with 1 notable omission and 1 notable inclusion...

The flag will be flown on St Patrick's day, celebrated predominantly (but not exclusively) by nationalists etc

The flag will not be flown on the 12th July, celebrated predominantly by Loyalists.


Surely this should be the other way round??!!?!?! If we are to appease "both" sides?

 

[ifwecouldjust......]

For some reason the government seem to be backing this...despite the fact that northern Ireland are part of the UK.

could you imagine the response if Greater Manchester council decided that they were only going to fly the flag on certain days?


Looks to me like this is the first minor step to relinquishing Northern Ireland

 

[bluebrickroad]

but GMC only fly the flag on certain days, like all other city councils.

 

[mick10]

but GMC only fly the flag on certain days, like all other city councils.

You what?!
Right I'm comin over there right now.
Ohhhh there'll be trouble ;)

 

[mammutly]

As someone bemused, frustrated in opposition to the violence and demonstrations...i find this quite bewildering too...

There are 18 days on which the fleg will be flown above Belfast City Hal, with 1 notable omission and 1 notable inclusion...

The flag will be flown on St Patrick's day, celebrated predominantly (but not exclusively) by nationalists etc

The flag will not be flown on the 12th July, celebrated predominantly by Loyalists.


Surely this should be the other way round??!!?!?! If we are to appease "both" sides?

March 17th is a patron saint day. July 12th is a celebration of a victory of one side over the other and therefore sectarian by definition.

If there was a patron saint of the union, no doubt the flag would be flown then too. In the meantime the following days are what has been agreed:

9 January
Birthday of The Duchess of Cambridge

20 January
Birthday of The Countess of Wessex

6 February
Her Majesty's Accession

19 February
Birthday of The Duke of York

10 March
Birthday of The Earl of Wessex

11 March
Commonwealth Day (second Monday in March)

17 March
St Patrick's Day (in Northern Ireland only)

21 April
Birthday of Her Majesty The Queen

9 May
Europe Day

2 June
Coronation Day

10 June
Birthday of The Duke of Edinburgh

15 June
Official Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday

21 June
Birthday of The Duke of Cambridge

17 July
Birthday of The Duchess of Cornwall

15 August
Birthday of The Princess Royal

10 November
Remembrance Day (second Sunday)

14 November
Birthday of The Prince of Wales

20 November
Her Majesty's Wedding Day

Opening of Parliament by HM The Queen

Closing of Parliament by HM The Queen

 

[law74]

March 17th is a patron saint day. July 12th is a celebration of a victory of one side over the other and therefore sectarian by definition.

Although the actual battle was fought on the First of July, the Pope at a later date changed the calander to add leap years into it, so when the mathematicians re-calculated the days it became the 12th instead, added to that, the Pope was in support of the Williamite forces.

 

[mammutly]

March 17th is a patron saint day. July 12th is a celebration of a victory of one side over the other and therefore sectarian by definition.

Although the actual battle was fought on the First of July, the Pope at a later date changed the calander to add leap years into it, so when the mathematicians re-calculated the days it became the 12th instead, added to that, the Pope was in support of the Williamite forces.

I'm sure there are details of history, mate. There always are and the ones you quote are quite interesting.. However, the overwhelming public perception is what counts. Hence we have Christmas Day on December 25th.