Truck Runs into Crowd in Nice

[Phil1]

As you can see some on here like to belittle more than enlighten. You deserved civil responses. I got the same "tarring" last night and this morning. People over-reacting to what I was asking/stating, attaching all sorts of legs to it and throwing out insults.

It saddens me to be honest. I thought that people could speak their minds openly and ask genuine questions and generally respect each other (as we have a common interest) but it seems not (anymore - used to be fine).

Best to probably avoid certain subjects. I'm only posting this so you (and others) see that not everyone will jump down your throat.

When your suggestions are to give up our freedoms and subsequently allow the terrorists to get what they are after then you shouldn't be surprised that the majority of people will vehemently disagree.

 

[TonyM]

You decided that everyone should pretty much live under Marshall Law and have no rights to any privacy in an echo of some Orwellian Dystopia.

He said he blames the refugees for fleeing the horrors of war and that they should be ashamed.

You both got what you deserved. And respect is earned, not thrown around just because you happen to support City. That's a stupid idea, we have all sorts of cunts support us.

I didn't say that we should live under Marshall Law. You and others over reacted after misunderstanding what I was saying.

I'm actually a pretty nice person. You don't like what I'm saying or me for that matter. That's fine. But there's no need to belittle me or others. Can't we just be respectful to e.

 

[Sir peace frog]

As you can see some on here like to belittle more than enlighten. You deserved civil responses. I got the same "tarring" last night and this morning. People over-reacting to what I was asking/stating, attaching all sorts of legs to it and throwing out insults.

It saddens me to be honest. I thought that people could speak their minds openly and ask genuine questions and generally respect each other (as we have a common interest) but it seems not (anymore - used to be fine).

Best to probably avoid certain subjects. I'm only posting this so you (and others) see that not everyone will jump down your throat.

im not the sort to worry about a bit of a kicking on the internet, my original post was posted in a bit of anger whilst watching what happened last night and news of kids getting flattened and dragged up the road,maybe I need to think a little before posting,

or maybe if I was in their situation instead of shooting people with my water pistol with a sauce pan on my head I would join up to whatever and fight for mine and my families freedom and rights.
maybe the French, polish resistance ect ec ect should of all fucked off during the second world war and let the Nazis take over the world,
its terrible to see and hear what's gone on not just yesterday but everyday peoples lives are getting torn apart.

 

[TonyM]

When your suggestions are to give up our freedoms and subsequently allow the terrorists to get what they are after then you shouldn't be surprised that the majority of people will vehemently disagree.

...give up SOME freedoms....

and vehemently disagree is one thing. Being called all sorts is another.

 

[hilts]

18th Century French imperialism?

if his great great grandfather moved from Africa to France I would concede the point in this circumstance but as I said the connection is pretty obvious in a lot of these cases, a future lesson or an unavoidable pitfall?

 

[Alex - City Matters]

Would you be so liberal if it had been your child brutally murdered at the start of his life in the name of a make believe God? I think not.

It's utter horseshit and has no place in Europe. We need a far less tolerant attitude to religious extremism.

How many more times are we going to keep putting French flags on Facebook pictures, lighting candles and saying we can on living as we do - in the meantime innocent children are killed. This bullshit line of this is what they want - sick of hearing it. It's a kop out.

I have no problem with people having a right wing perspective on these things, was a poor wording from myself. What I was trying to get at, was the kneejerk reaction from people in here claiming we needed entire searches of every street in the country. That is exactly what terrorists would want.

 

[law74]

im not the sort to worry about a bit of a kicking on the internet, my original post was posted in a bit of anger whilst watching what happened last night and news of kids getting flattened and dragged up the road,maybe I need to think a little before posting,

or maybe if I was in their situation instead of shooting people with my water pistol with a sauce pan on my head I would join up to whatever and fight for mine and my families freedom and rights.
maybe the French, polish resistance ect ec ect should of all fucked off during the second world war and let the Nazis take over the world,
its terrible to see and hear what's gone on not just yesterday but everyday peoples lives are getting torn apart.

Do you mean the members of the Polish Airforce that fled to Britain prior to playing a major part of the Battle of Britain?

 

[sir baconface]

Depending on which of these you choose to believe there are up to a million dead since the invasion in 2003.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War?wprov=sfla1

That's a lot of people who have lost a lot of family, and want someone to take revenge on (just in Iraq). I'm assuming a high proportion of those 160 terror attacks you quoted were carried out on Sunni Muslims by Shia Muslums, or vice versa or Hamas on Israel. Israel has been taking out infrastructure in Syria for years in retaliation, keeping it in the dark ages.

I'm not attempting to re-write anything. But do you think these attacks would be going on if we hadn't destabilised the whole region?

That's rhetorical, I mean one of the men who carried out the Paris attacks said this is for Syria...

We had/have no business being in any of these countries, we're in Syria because we want to bring down Assad! Because what? We think that the people there are going to fall in line and accept democracy and live happily ever after? They are neither ready nor willing.

We will reap what we sow. The way I see it, it was our western governments that have caused this, what we're seeing now is the fall out, which pales in insignificance when we look at the death tolls involved in each respective country.

Nobody (well I'm not) is saying Saddam wasn't evil, I'm saying he was a necessary evil.

I'm under no illusion that we didn't help shape what we're seeing today. I wish it would all go away, but it can't.

Unfortunately there is a lot of truth in this. The horse has now bolted and we have a serious ongoing problem with disaffected Muslims. However, the West has to seriously consider how much future involvement/interference it wants in that hell-hole of a region. We have much to answer for.

Having said that, we are also dealing with a band of primitive cnuts with cnutish beliefs and values. We cannot go soft on them.

Blair was rightly castigated by Chilcott but the lessons need to be wider than giving him a slap on the wrists and carrying on regardless. Some new thinking is needed.

 

[bluemoon32]

Yes there is. Better protection of pedestrianised areas - concrete bollards or large vehicles to block access to areas where large crowds congregate. This can't prevent all attacks but it should help prevent mass casualties from this type of attack. Next season I expect that busses won't be allowed down Ashton Old Road along with post match crowds as they do now for example.

Nope, nothing we do will stop these attacks if someone really wants to commit them.

 

[Machiavelli]

When warped beliefs and geopolitical policy clash, the innocent blood flows free.