Truck Runs into Crowd in Nice

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

The technology just really isn't that amazing. They can monitor specific targets with a lot of effort and at certain times, and trying to track one ant amongst thousands is nigh on impossible even when you can see all 1000 of them!

They simply can't monitor all of Syria in detail in one go.

Even if you can clearly see vehicles / movement moving into a city, what can you do about it? not much in most cases, not even the USA has the manpower.

But they have the technology though I can guarantee that.

 

[FanchesterCity]

But they have the technology though I can guarantee that.

Yes but it's not like they can monitor everywhere. They have to observe a specific place in detail. Whilst they are watching one town, activity is happening in another.
It's like trying to get aerial photography of just Liverpool, in detail, it takes many passes to get it all, and you have to have a satellite in the right location, or recon aircraft above. It's just not possible to track all the activity, only highly specific stuff planned in advance.

 

[FanchesterCity]

I can understand the analogy but with the middle east it's far less likely applicable than anywhere else in the world. The middle east, to gun running U.S. corps is just some desert playground far from any "civilised life." I genuinely do not believe these people don't care remotely about the damage caused and health of people in the region. Health & food corps don't appear to care for the wellbeing of their own citizens with all the issues of patents hampering drug research, toxic food preservatives, geo-engineering etc. All they care about is profit and how flashy their own meaningless lives are.

For this to happen what we are seeing now, it is clear there are smoke and mirrors and hidden interests in this region, it's been a board game between western countries and Russia for a long time. Imagine growing up there and all you've ever known is some foreign army being the antagonist in your region, foreign countries telling your's how it should be run. Imagine that situation here. There is a lot of hate in that region which is an easy opportunity for power grabbers to misguide and direct where they wish. Baghdad in the middle ages used to be a centre of academia and what we call "civilisation," the reason the region is so messed up is because of other countries meddling - is this to weaken the threat to the state of Israel? There's so many factors, it's just a complete, horrid mess.

Yes I agree and fundamentalists will always manipulate a situation to their own ends (just like the West might exploit a situation for its own ends).
In truth, I don't think most people care what happens in the Middle East. These atrocities are commonplace, but they aren't as widely reported as the French attacks and people aren't debating them to the same extent. Of course, SOME people here keep a keen eye on matters, but the vast majority don't really care all that much. There's not many people on Facebook brandishing Israeli or Palestinian motifs, let alone Syrian ones - but the moment it's London or French we're awash with #prayfornice etc.

If you ask people, of course they'll say they 'care' - but it's only in a notional sense. Nobody stops in their tracks at the news of a bus bombing in Jerusalem.

I'm not criticising that though - it's just human nature. 100 lives 'matter' when we want them to, but in truth, they don't count for much at all.

 

[hilts]

Yes I agree and fundamentalists will always manipulate a situation to their own ends (just like the West might exploit a situation for its own ends).
In truth, I don't think most people care what happens in the Middle East. These atrocities are commonplace, but they aren't as widely reported as the French attacks and people aren't debating them to the same extent. Of course, SOME people here keep a keen eye on matters, but the vast majority don't really care all that much. There's not many people on Facebook brandishing Israeli or Palestinian motifs, let alone Syrian ones - but the moment it's London or French we're awash with #prayfornice etc.

If you ask people, of course they'll say they 'care' - but it's only in a notional sense. Nobody stops in their tracks at the news of a bus bombing in Jerusalem.

I'm not criticising that though - it's just human nature. 100 lives 'matter' when we want them to, but in truth, they don't count for much at all.

The soul destroying part of this and I'm honest enough to say it is that I have become pretty numb to it all. In years gone by ira bombings,7/7,9/11,Boston marathon and many others the news goes on and I get angry. When I heard about this I had a quick look on here and carried on watching the open championship as I'm doing now. I'm only on bluemoon now as a diversion to avoid the gym.

The more events that happen the more people become insular and just concern themselves with those around them. All those hash tagging are passing time before they go to sainsburys . It's been discussed that much without any hope for a different future that apathy seems the best course of action.

 

[mrtwiceaseason]

Perhaps the idea of having these types of weapons in the vehicle is a way of showing martyrdom? I guess most terrorists know there's very little chance that they'll survive, therefore it ensures that the incident could never been be reported as a tragedy involving a lorry who's driver simply lost control. There are other clues that could be left in a vehicle, although whatever remains in the aftermath would probably need to be quite hardy to withstand a fair bit of damage/return fire.

Wondered the same or was he part of a gang that backed out at the last minute ?

 

[FanchesterCity]

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[FanchesterCity]

Regarding the weapons (there was some report of fake ones?) - I think it would be more sensible to assume that the lorry MIGHT have crashed without killing so many, so weapons would be a backup for when/if he did eventually crash.
I don't have the mind of a terrorist, but I would have thought it reasonable to not be sure how many you could plough down before crashing and wouldn't want to end up in a situation where you crashed it having 'only' killed 3 or 4. We'll probably never know what he was thinking, but that would be my guess - get as far as possible with the lorry, then turn to the weapons. Thankfully he was stopped before it got that far.

 

[manimanc]

Make sure you cherish every second with your family. Go and read and extra story with your kids when they're in bed, when they want you to play the silly games think twice about saying not now, snuggle up together and embrace the moment of togetherness as yesterday has shown it can all end in a heartbeat. Poor fuckers didn't stand a chance, we all have our sliding doors moments where one wrong turn can end in tears and tragedy.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Make sure you cherish every second with your family. Go and read and extra story with your kids when they're in bed, when they want you to play the silly games think twice about saying not now, snuggle up together and embrace the moment of togetherness as yesterday has shown it can all end in a heartbeat. Poor fuckers didn't stand a chance, we all have our sliding doors moments where one wrong turn can end in tears and tragedy.

I don't disagree with you, but that's true with or without terrorism.
You're more likely to have a car crash than die at the hands of a terrorist. Certainly more likely to have a heart attack etc.
Time is precious.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I don't disagree with you, but that's true with or without terrorism.
You're more likely to have a car crash than die at the hands of a terrorist. Certainly more likely to have a heart attack etc.
Time is precious.

There is a big difference between accidents and health issues and deliberate acts of mass murder.