Tuition fees

[Nervous Nedum]

how are we meant to get access to a higher level of income if it's impossible to pay for university in the first place?

 

[Halfpenny]

If I were to achieve what I want to (and that is to become involved in politics) would I not be paying towards that anyway through a higher rate of income tax?

So should those who pay tax at 40% but who didn't go to university get a tax rebate?

Should someone who can only get a job paying basic rate be taxed to pay for free further education to those privileged enough to go to university?

I used to pay tax at 40% but my normal working week was 60+ hours should my tax rate been reflective of the hours I worked? Most people work around 35 hours?

There are many inequality in the tax system.

For, largely, the middle classes to cry foul on a educational system which maintains the status quo, perpetuation of wealth to themselves and their children, is frankly crass.

If you notice I never said I believe tuition fees should be scrapped. I'm perfectly happy to contribute to my education but the UK will have the highest average cost of higher education tuition in the world, coupled with market rate interest we're getting a seriously bad deal. Do you really want to see people put off getting worthwhile degrees because they baulk at the cost? The only people who win in this is the particularly well off who get daddy to pay for their tuition fees; they're going to have a clear route into university due to the drop in people applying and they're not going to be saddled with the debt people like me will come out with.

 

[amehh]

I'm glad the fees are getting more expensive. Every tax dodger i see getting bladdered in town/fallowfield/didsbury, i think 'there's another for the mcdonalds, asda, royal mail network rail management gradute scheme'. Yes that's right do a degree in graphic design, get a job as a trainee logistics manager or a degree in music and get a job as a trainee manager at comet.

Did it ever cross your mind that some of those 'tax dodgers' are genuinely intelligent people, who are at uni to get a degree and hopefully get a decent job?

For all those who moan about students going out getting bladdered constantly, just consider that, at that age, you are going to go out for a good time at every opportunity regardless of whether or not you are a student.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

I had plans to go out and find a work placement when I finished the course I am currently on... later after that going onto a degree. The course I planned cost around £3,000... im guessing il have to go straight onto the degree after the course im on now to avoid the new fees at university in a year or few years time. Does anyone know what date these new student fees come into action? I don't fancy carrying around a £6k+ debt when I go into full time work.


There is of course the option of finding a course in Scotland which is slightly cheaper... but I expect everyone will be fighting for a place there. I also think its piss poor that those living outside the UK in europe can get on a degree in Scotland for free (being paid by those who live in the UK) but those who are English must cough up.

I certainly won't be doing a masters now then.

Oh and btw... im not one of those students who go out getting pissed.

 

[smudgedj]

So should those who pay tax at 40% but who didn't go to university get a tax rebate?

Should someone who can only get a job paying basic rate be taxed to pay for free further education to those privileged enough to go to university?

I used to pay tax at 40% but my normal working week was 60+ hours should my tax rate been reflective of the hours I worked? Most people work around 35 hours?

There are many inequality in the tax system.

For, largely, the middle classes to cry foul on a educational system which maintains the status quo, perpetuation of wealth to themselves and their children, is frankly crass.

If you notice I never said I believe tuition fees should be scrapped. I'm perfectly happy to contribute to my education but the UK will have the highest average cost of higher education tuition in the world, coupled with market rate interest we're getting a seriously bad deal. Do you really want to see people put off getting worthwhile degrees because they baulk at the cost? The only people who win in this is the particularly well off who get daddy to pay for their tuition fees; they're going to have a clear route into university due to the drop in people applying and they're not going to be saddled with the debt people like me will come out with.

In the world? I find that hard to believe, I pay for my girlfriends university fees, they come to $100 a month, that's just for tuition. Doesn't sound a lot does it, however the average wage here is $90 a month. What's the UK's average wage and how much are your tuition fees?

 

[stonerblue]

how are we meant to get access to a higher level of income if it's impossible to pay for university in the first place?

That Ned, is a very good point.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I'm glad the fees are getting more expensive. Every tax dodger i see getting bladdered in town/fallowfield/didsbury, i think 'there's another for the mcdonalds, asda, royal mail network rail management gradute scheme'. Yes that's right do a degree in graphic design, get a job as a trainee logistics manager or a degree in music and get a job as a trainee manager at comet.

Did it ever cross your mind that some of those 'tax dodgers' are genuinely intelligent people, who are at uni to get a degree and hopefully get a decent job?

For all those who moan about students going out getting bladdered constantly, just consider that, at that age, you are going to go out for a good time at every opportunity regardless of whether or not you are a student.

Well said, there's been a few of this kind of generalising comments on this thread. Believe it or not, there exists a breed of student who go to university to LEARN.

In fact, I do more work then most, if not all, of my friends in full time jobs. I work anywhere between 40 and 50 hours a week. 34 hours in university at workshops and lectures. The rest I spend doing a multitude of homework assignments.

So you're trying to tell me after working hard all week I have to stay in all weekend and do nothing? Even though I'm using money I will have to pay back eventually, I think it's only fair some of it can be used for recreational things. It doesn't mean I go out and get hammered every night, I go out once a week if I'm lucky.

Well I'm at it, some of these comments above me also assume that we only take degrees to be high earners. That's also a very narrow minded point of view. I do physics, go and look up the average wage of a physicist and you'll see it's criminal. Barely more than you could earn in your local Morrisons. So why do I do I want to learn it?

Why don't you go and ask Einstein, Plato, Freud etc.

Some people just want to help further the human race. We shouldn't have to sacrifice our livelihood by having a massive debt hanging over our heads all our lives as a result.

 

[Halfpenny]

If you notice I never said I believe tuition fees should be scrapped. I'm perfectly happy to contribute to my education but the UK will have the highest average cost of higher education tuition in the world, coupled with market rate interest we're getting a seriously bad deal. Do you really want to see people put off getting worthwhile degrees because they baulk at the cost? The only people who win in this is the particularly well off who get daddy to pay for their tuition fees; they're going to have a clear route into university due to the drop in people applying and they're not going to be saddled with the debt people like me will come out with.

In the world? I find that hard to believe, I pay for my girlfriends university fees, they come to $100 a month, that's just for tuition. Doesn't sound a lot does it, however the average wage here is $90 a month. What's the UK's average wage and how much are your tuition fees?

Actually, it will be. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8035056/Tuition-fee-hike-will-make-English-degrees-most-expensive-in-the-world.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... world.html</a>

 

[Mikeegrini]

So should those who pay tax at 40% but who didn't go to university get a tax rebate?

Should someone who can only get a job paying basic rate be taxed to pay for free further education to those privileged enough to go to university?

I used to pay tax at 40% but my normal working week was 60+ hours should my tax rate been reflective of the hours I worked? Most people work around 35 hours?

There are many inequality in the tax system.

For, largely, the middle classes to cry foul on a educational system which maintains the status quo, perpetuation of wealth to themselves and their children, is frankly crass.

If you notice I never said I believe tuition fees should be scrapped. I'm perfectly happy to contribute to my education but the UK will have the highest average cost of higher education tuition in the world, coupled with market rate interest we're getting a seriously bad deal. Do you really want to see people put off getting worthwhile degrees because they baulk at the cost? The only people who win in this is the particularly well off who get daddy to pay for their tuition fees; they're going to have a clear route into university due to the drop in people applying and they're not going to be saddled with the debt people like me will come out with.

Fair enough mate if you are happy to contribute what should that level of contribution be?

As for the highest cost in the world, I don't know if that's the case or not to be frank but I think for medical students in the USA £150,000 isn't unusual.

I repeat what I said with the example of andyblue87 , the potential to earn so much more than the average punter over a lifetime that ''the deal'' seems pretty good to me and if someone can't see this then they need more than higher education.

I wouldn't like finance to be a barrier to gaining FE but I believe the majority of bleater's are in a position to contribute, after-all fees are to be repaid after finding work, or find other routes to gain the education they desire.

My partners ex has gained a masters in Glasgow even though she has a young child to support and no rich daddy. She has had to work incredibly hard to do so and is rightly proud of her achievement. If she can overcome the barrier's placed before her then I'm sure someone without the hurdles she has had to overcome has a fighting chance.

 

[smudgedj]

In the world? I find that hard to believe, I pay for my girlfriends university fees, they come to $100 a month, that's just for tuition. Doesn't sound a lot does it, however the average wage here is $90 a month. What's the UK's average wage and how much are your tuition fees?

Actually, it will be. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8035056/Tuition-fee-hike-will-make-English-degrees-most-expensive-in-the-world.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... world.html</a>

Actually it wont be will it. It might look like it does when you call it £5000 a year, but it's not when compared to average income.