Two faced city fans

Pablo1 said:
That they should be sat in their own end and not next to me. I'd rather concentrate on the game and any banter I may or may not decide to have will be with my fellow City fans. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp.
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Then just ignore them and concentrate on the game. I must admit that it doesn't bother me if there are away fans near me as long as they are well behaved and just supporting their team.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
They were allowed to cheer to their heart's content!

Please read the thread!
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I have read the thread thanks Tim. The op was about punches being thrown due to them being in the City end.

My reply which you quoted was agreeing with the opinion that they should be able to cheer to their hearts content.
 
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Why do people get so bothered? There were about 4/5 Gladbach fans a couple of rows in front of me, they were quiet all game, in their 50s and didn't even really cheer when they cheered. Some blue thought it would be appropriate to give them a bollocking at half time telling the they should be in their end.

I could understand if the game was a sell out and city fans missed out on getting seats.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
Then just ignore them and concentrate on the game. I must admit that it doesn't bother me if there are away fans near me as long as they are well behaved and just supporting their team.
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Which it seems some were well behaved and some weren't depending on where you were in the ground.
Your idea of what makes a good match going experience and mine differ and won't likely change so I'll leave it at that before it becomes another BM circular argument that nobody wins.
 
DD said:
I take it you are another one who can’t remember when mixed support was an everyday occurrence in this country.

I take it you weren’t one of the many city fans who have turned up at places all over Europe, supported their team in the home end, and treated with respect.

Assumedly you weren’t one of the 10,000 away fans who got into the home ends at Blackburn and cheered their team to promotion.

I take it you completely deplore all of those who took part in any of the above.
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Here we go, have a go at Blue who's got the balls to have an opinion. You don't know me or my years of travelling Europe, so your condescending comments and wild assumptions mean nothing to me. For your information I'm a 50 yr old Blue and no, I cannot remember those misty-eyed days. Are you saying that away fans were tolerated in the Kippax? Bollocks were they. And yes, I enjoyed my day in the Jack Walker stand at Blackburn. Bought my ticket from a Blackburn fan, so by inference, there was an acceptance from Blackburn fans that the home sections would be full of City.

Deplore City fans that took part in any of the above? What are you on about? My friend, I travelled to BMG and Turin (where we were treated like dogs in the away end) and I've made a 200 mile round trip to every home CL game this season, so my opinion is as valid as any on here.

If you read my post properly, you'll understand that my anger is directed at the club for selling tickets in that particular area, the CITY SINGING SECTION. Why should my match day experience be affected by the club unilaterally deciding that there will be no segregation for this game?

And, if you were at the game last night, I take it you didn't see the German fans in Level 2 spitting on the Blues in Level 1?

I take it you completely deplore that do you?
 
foxy said:
Why do people get so bothered? There were about 4/5 Gladbach fans a couple of rows in front of me, they were quiet all game, in their 50s and didn't even really cheer when they cheered. Some blue thought it would be appropriate to give them a bollocking at half time telling the they should be in their end.

I could understand if the game was a sell out and city fans missed out on getting seats.
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Probably because at HT we'd just saw another awful performance and the Blues were getting agitated and needed to blow off steam. That's the danger of having away fans in with you. Not everyone can remain calm and collected, and in their own end needn't be.
 
DD said:
None of those in our section came for trouble. These were families, behaving in an appropriate family manner - and then they got threatened by dunderheads. Well, I'm glad you approve of that.

Trouble happens there as it does everywhere, but the point is that by and large people can sit by side without problem, and I'm sorry if you don't like that. I guess you would have hated football in this country for the first 100 years of its existence then.
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I agree that fans should be able to sit side by side without any bother. The problem in this country is that football fans have become used to not doing that. Hence the culture has become one of expecting to sit with fans of your team, singing, cheering, arguing together. Its quite an unusual experience to suddenly have a large group of away fans sat around you. Unfortunately some fans reacted badly to that.

I watch a lot of rugby league, a sport that has a reputation for being unsegregated. In reality a form of semi segregation always exists. There are some areas of most grounds where away fans would not be expected to stand/sit. There are clearly defined areas where the away fans usually stand/sit. In most grounds there will be a stand where home and away fans mix. But the people going into that stand know what to expect, are used to mixing, usually enjoy it. Its the unexpected mixing of fans that leads to aggro.
 
I expect the police will be in talks with club over this to make sure it doesn't happen on this scale again.
It could have been a lot worse, every club has a hooligan element and I'm amazed the club didn't have an heads up how many BM fans were coming over without tickets.
 
lancs blue said:
Plenty of double standards in this thread, I've seen Blues celebrating in the home sections at various European aways without the threat of getting a slap.

Given that the match was never going to sell out why didn't the club have the foresight to leave a block empty next to the away section on each tier to accommodate any excess BMG fans?
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There is a case for the club to be more flexible about away allocations for CL games, at least for the group stages which don't sell out.

But how would City fans react if the club voluntarily gave the away team an increased allocation? Say they'd given Gladbach the same allocation that the away fans get for a domestic cup tie? How would those seasoncard holders who had to move react? Wouldn't there be complaints about City sacrificing home advantage to make a few quid? Complaints from City fans whose United mates took the mickey out of us?
 
cibaman said:
There is a case for the club to be more flexible about away allocations for CL games, at least for the group stages which don't sell out.

But how would City fans react if the club voluntarily gave the away team an increased allocation? Say they'd given Gladbach the same allocation that the away fans get for a domestic cup tie? How would those seasoncard holders who had to move react? Wouldn't there be complaints about City sacrificing home advantage to make a few quid? Complaints from City fans whose United mates took the mickey out of us?
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Well either way it seems City fans would be complaining - nothing new in that ;-) so go down the route that has less potential for violence.
 
I was in 104 and when the 3rd went in a city flag went up in the aisle and a couple of gladbach fans took offence, punches were thrown but nothing serious

There were some on the other side of me and another group infront too, both behaved and I have no issue with them being in the home end as their end was a sell out and it was probably also twice the price... The only problem with this is that these situations will always happen

There's not really much the club could do really, if they did increase away allocations you'd still get away fans in the home end to save a few quid, although probably nowhere near as many
 
cibaman said:
There is a case for the club to be more flexible about away allocations for CL games, at least for the group stages which don't sell out.

But how would City fans react if the club voluntarily gave the away team an increased allocation? Say they'd given Gladbach the same allocation that the away fans get for a domestic cup tie? How would those seasoncard holders who had to move react? Wouldn't there be complaints about City sacrificing home advantage to make a few quid? Complaints from City fans whose United mates took the mickey out of us?
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That's pretty much what the club did last night mate, but they neglected to tell GMP, the stewards or the Blues who were "moved". When I say moved, I mean unofficially moved because there was a German in their allocated seat who wanted to be near their "official" supporters in the away end.

Lets face it, the Club royally fucked up last night, took the dollar and put rival fans in sections they shouldn't have. Selling tickets to BMG fans in the CITY singing section was asking for trouble and I think the majority of posters who got annoyed about this last night are pointing fingers at the Club and were not raining punches at innocent supporters, as some on here would have you believe.

There was a segregated section of away fans, then another hastily organised segregated area that appeared within the "home" sections most vociferous supporters. Then, at half time there was another segregation on the concourse, whilst it was decided what to do with them. Absolute shambles from the club.

And as much as the hand-wringers on here want to turn this into a "I'm a more tolerant new-age Blue than you" debate, it pissed people off last night, simple as that. No-ones condoning violence, no-ones been injured and the MATCH GOING Blues that witnessed the shambles in 115 have my total respect..
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I have read the thread thanks Tim. The op was about punches being thrown due to them being in the City end.

My reply which you quoted was agreeing with the opinion that they should be able to cheer to their hearts content.
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I think a couple of Broussia fans got their mullets tickled in a crowd of over 40k.

Plenty were let in Mary Ds that shows the hospitality our German friends received. There was certainly plenty of good will and hand shaking at the end!

Great effort from Broussia in terms of atmosphere created!
 
Me and my lad got stopped by security and was asked to produce match tickets and was asked were we was from before being able to grab a pint at Summerbees bar,But we was surrounded by BM fans in the family stand,Piss Take!
 
I sit in 214 near the front and had some lively discussions with Germans about vacating seats that weren't theirs and an interesting discussion with a big fat Focker on the front row making slit throat gestures to fans below but when i went to have a word with him he stopped that as he said he would rather not join them below the rest round us although annoying were decent people so not much mither good job really as only 2 coppers and no stewards if it had been same situation with Italians or Spanish the out come would have been different
 
I think its fairly obvious that there are two sides to this problem, if the away fans are in the home end goading city fans they deserve to be thrown out, if there are away fans in the city end who are having the craic and not causing a problem then they should be treated with respect. I'd imagine this is how most sane city fans would view it however there were a couple of knobs in 118 who were intent on causing a problem for a 60 odd year BMG fan who was causing no problem whatsoever luckily it seemed most City fans around them put them in their place.
 
There were BMG fans in our section of the east stand last night. I took issue with one of them as he was acting the twat and goading blues. Once the stewards had a word with him he behaved , but he shouldnt have been in there in the first place, as he clearly understand how to behave if you are in the wrong end.
 
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