UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

[denislawsbackheel]

I guess the crux of it is and why it’s a debate that will never go away. what is science fiction to us might not be to any alien races that may have evolved millions / billions of years before us and therefore could be millions /billions of years past us technologically.

If we are anything to go by technology evolution moves fast. Less than 10k years ago we didn’t even have the wheel. 120 years from the 1st plane to what we have now.

Who knows what we will have in 10k years. Assuming we survive as a race.

Don’t you mean species?

 

[Saddleworth2]

There was an earlier clash. We’re over it. Sorry if it offended anyone’s sensibilities, I noticed someone replied to you pointing out two baddies. Naturally, I’m one of them.

It all kicked off when I read, relativity, it’s only a theory. Of course, I stormed in to refute that with some nifty science and it went a bit askew. I was accused of being a knob, I don’t mind that as long as I am right. Anyway, we have now moved on to hypothesise about warp bubbles and advanced civilisations.

What’s your take? Or is two Scots in the mix just too volatile? :)

I don't recognise you as a baddie mate.
I'm not that qualified to comment as I have always been more of an artist than a scientist ;-)
I do believe that given the infinity of the universe and the number of stars in it and the number of planets round those stars there is a likelihood that one or many of them hold life of some form and probably intelligent life. I do tend towards agreeing that there are boundaries and travel 'at the speed of light' may well be one of them but as you can tell by my 'ifs buts and maybe's' I am as certain about this stuff as City winning this afternoon. I do like anything about flying saucers and the bermuda triangle though.
I do love Blue Moon that you can actually follow a thread arguing the laws of quantum physics alongside one on Miss City 1984.
Never change.
I feel on much safer ground on the music threads but you never visit them!

 

[Coatigan]

You nailed it. Science fiction. It would be easier turning me into Messi.

It is funny, you get triggered by 'just a theory' but then apply the same dismissal to other things that are at least theoretically not impossible.

It IS just a theory, Einstein's relativity.

But not in the sense you seem to take it, that that means it is not relevant or right. But in the sense, that it is just one point in time and science, has replaced previous equally at the time applicable theories, and will itself be replaced.

It was theoretically impossible to have elctricity powered homes, before we knew what electricity was as a concept. It was theoretically impossible to have diesel powered cars rather than wind-up mechanics, before we knew what oil was. It was theoretically impossible to split an atom, when we didn't know what an atom was. Or to escape gravity, before we defined the rules of gravity. And before we could quantify and understand the speed of light as a theory, that itself was irrelevant to non-existent to us. Matter itself did not exist as a concept, until it did, and then the idea of being able to create mass, was a fictional concept. Until it wasn't.

I could go on and on and on, and I refuse to believe you don't see my point.

One day we will develop a concept of something not understood up until that point, and it will change things and shift parameters of possibility, as it always has. Something that might seem easily dismissable or outright unthinkable now, but once it becomes theoretical, becomes an avenue to explore. It is inevitable. Otherwise we would just stop teaching and practicing science. Elsewhere on the universe as big as it is, this may or may not have already happened. But to suggest it can't happen here, is just bloody pointless and pigheaded, and goes against what we have as a species been doing since we came to exist.

 

[grunge]

Don’t you mean species?

Yep. I Was aiming at “the human race” which means all humans.

the human race

1. all the people in the world, considered as a group 2. all the people in the…

dictionary.cambridge.org

 

[Coatigan]

Correct at our level of knowledge and understanding.

Simply. We don’t know what we don’t know. What is a limit to us now might not be in the future.

Fucking bingo. Thank fuck at least one **** gets it.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Correct at our level of knowledge and understanding.

Simply. We don’t know what we don’t know. What is a limit to us now might not be in the future.

 

[Blue Bogey]

Jeez and I thought the political threads were argumentative. I came on here expecting to see cool photos of flying saucers.

This one is for you. I haven’t got any photos but I have a true story I can tell you and anyone else who is interested.

In 2014 I was on a flight home from Greece and during the flight when we were somewhere over the south east of England I saw something unusual outside. For the record I have taken something like 150-180 flights.

I tend to sit by the window when I can as I love to look outside. What I usually observe is big fluffy clouds that seem to just sit there. Then when the flight drops into the clouds they start to break up, but still seem to sit there. On this flight back to Manchester from Greece we were dropping into the clouds and there were some small gaps between clouds. Then I noticed an unusual cloud that was moving what seemed like the same speed as the flight I was on (probably an optical illusion) and it was at the same height as the flight but going in the opposite direction. This unusual cloud seemed to be rotating and I saw it move through a bigger cloud which obscured it temporarily but keeping my eye on the same area and then saw it reappear at the other end of this bigger cloud but then it disappeared out of my observable vision. The weather at the time was sunny over the majority of England and there had been a dry spell.

I wrote to the Met office to try and get a logical explanation of what I saw. They did reply and attempted to answer what it may have been but I did not find it related to what I saw and the responder finished by saying someone would be in touch.

A few years later I googled UFO reports in England. I read a report of an airline pilot and co-pilot who had reported seeing a UFO over Reading. The date of their sighting was the day before my flight mentioned above.

Anyway City will be playing soon today and that will be far more interesting.

 

[mexico1970]

Laws of physics change when you're near a black hole allegedly, now scientists haven't tried this but someone has to make shit up if they are being paid a lot of money by whatever agency employs them.

 

[Saddleworth2]

This one is for you. I haven’t got any photos but I have a true story I can tell you and anyone else who is interested.

In 2014 I was on a flight home from Greece and during the flight when we were somewhere over the south east of England I saw something unusual outside. For the record I have taken something like 150-180 flights.

I tend to sit by the window when I can as I love to look outside. What I usually observe is big fluffy clouds that seem to just sit there. Then when the flight drops into the clouds they start to break up, but still seem to sit there. On this flight back to Manchester from Greece we were dropping into the clouds and there were some small gaps between clouds. Then I noticed an unusual cloud that was moving what seemed like the same speed as the flight I was on (probably an optical illusion) and it was at the same height as the flight but going in the opposite direction. This unusual cloud seemed to be rotating and I saw it move through a bigger cloud which obscured it temporarily but keeping my eye on the same area and then saw it reappear at the other end of this bigger cloud but then it disappeared out of my observable vision. The weather at the time was sunny over the majority of England and there had been a dry spell.

I wrote to the Met office to try and get an explanation of what I saw. They did reply and attempted to answer what it may have been but I did not find it related to what I saw and the responder finished by saying someone would be in touch.

A few years later I googled UFO reports in England. I read a report of an airline pilot and co-pilot who had reported seeing a UFO over Reading. The date of their sighting was the day before my flight mentioned above.

Anyway City will be playing soon today and that will be far more interesting.

Very interesting. Still no cool photos though :-)

 

[Magicpole]

It is funny, you get triggered by 'just a theory' but then apply the same dismissal to other things that are at least theoretically not impossible.

It IS just a theory, Einstein's relativity.

But not in the sense you seem to take it, that that means it is not relevant or right. But in the sense, that it is just one point in time and science, has replaced previous equally at the time applicable theories, and will itself be replaced.

It was theoretically impossible to have elctricity powered homes, before we knew what electricity was as a concept. It was theoretically impossible to have diesel powered cars rather than wind-up mechanics, before we knew what oil was. It was theoretically impossible to split an atom, when we didn't know what an atom was. Or to escape gravity, before we defined the rules of gravity. And before we could quantify and understand the speed of light as a theory, that itself was irrelevant to non-existent to us. Matter itself did not exist as a concept, until it did, and then the idea of being able to create mass, was a fictional concept. Until it wasn't.

I could go on and on and on, and I refuse to believe you don't see my point.

One day we will develop a concept of something not understood up until that point, and it will change things and shift parameters of possibility, as it always has. Something that might seem easily dismissable or outright unthinkable now, but once it becomes theoretical, becomes an avenue to explore. It is inevitable. Otherwise we would just stop teaching and practicing science. Elsewhere on the universe as big as it is, this may or may not have already happened. But to suggest it can't happen here, is just bloody pointless and pigheaded, and goes against what we have as a species been doing since we came to exist.

I get all that you are saying in relation to technology advances and our ability to be highly skilled as a species. I also acknowledge that other civilisation’s out there could be even more advanced, creating all sorts of stuff. Those civilisations would also know the make up and physical laws that are a unifying truth across the 2 Trillion galaxies we can see. They would also be aware of relativity, not the name, but the same equation, of E=MC2. That barrier, due to us being mass and our ship, and theirs, means we cannot travel faster than light. I know this is a tad disappointing, but so is being a Stoke fan. The probability that Stoke could win the CL ten years in a row, is exponentially higher than an alien technology going faster than light, for the simple reason, it is physically impossible.

And who is to say we aren’t the pinnacle of the Universes intelligent life form? I know I’m up there, my hair alone. We are fucking awesome. Cunts too, but mainly awesome. And not in the way yanks use the word to describe someone who can tie their own shoelaces. Awe inspiring.