UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

Magicpole said:
I get all that you are saying in relation to technology advances and our ability to be highly skilled as a species. I also acknowledge that other civilisation’s out there could be even more advanced, creating all sorts of stuff. Those civilisations would also know the make up and physical laws that are a unifying truth across the 2 Trillion galaxies we can see. They would also be aware of relativity, not the name, but the same equation, of E=MC2. That barrier, due to us being mass and our ship, and theirs, means we cannot travel faster than light. I know this is a tad disappointing, but so is being a Stoke fan. The probability that Stoke could win the CL ten years in a row, is exponentially higher than an alien technology going faster than light, for the simple reason, it is physically impossible.

And who is to say we aren’t the pinnacle of the Universes intelligent life form? I know I’m up there, my hair alone. We are fucking awesome. Cunts too, but mainly awesome. And not in the way yanks use the word to describe someone who can tie their own shoelaces. Awe inspiring.
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No, you don't.

I am not talking about advances in technology. At all.

I am talking about advances in understanding. That then subsequently happened to lead to advances in technology, but that is a distant second here.

'The laws/rules of the universe' are only relevant and applicable within our current understanding of them. That continues and will always continue to evolve.

And who is to say that even if it continues to remain an impossible, travel at the speed of light is the only avenue of future possible travel through the universe. Just at our end of it.
 
For those on this thread that have a better grasp than me “is time just an illusion”?

How does that fit into all of this?
 
Coatigan said:
No, you don't.

I am not talking about advances in technology. At all.

I am talking about advances in understanding. That then subsequently happened to lead to advances in technology, but that is a distant second here.

'The laws/rules of the universe' are only relevant and applicable within our current understanding of them. That continues and will always continue to evolve.

And who is to say that even if it continues to remain an impossible, travel at the speed of light is the only avenue of future possible travel through the universe. Just at our end of it.
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understanding? So you’re saying we don’t understand what relativity means and have got it wrong. It’s all a bit airy fairy, albeit interesting. I’m all for out the box thinking, asking questions, trying to find answers. We have found the answer to moving faster than light, it may not suit or be exciting. Let’s face it, nobody is getting anywhere the galaxy over, unless there are nearby planets inhabited by intelligent life. We can imagine anything, that’s why we are a species that has got where we are.
 
Magicpole said:
understanding? So you’re saying we don’t understand what relativity means and have got it wrong. It’s all a bit airy fairy, albeit interesting. I’m all for out the box thinking, asking questions, trying to find answers. We have found the answer to moving faster than light, it may not suit or be exciting. Let’s face it, nobody is getting anywhere the galaxy over, unless there are nearby planets inhabited by intelligent life. We can imagine anything, that’s why we are a species that has got where we are.
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Well 130 years ago we had no idea quantum mechanics existed. Now it’s deepened ( and reinforced in some cases ) our current understanding of physics.

Are you suggesting we know everything there is to know and there nothing more to find? That there isn’t some other field of physics that may be found that changes our understanding? Or That may expose a way around limitations? ( warp theory etc )
 
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Dage said:
Why should aliens come in person? We already sent machines into outer space. KI pilots, regenerative technologies.. there is no need to travel as a species.

There has been observable life on earth for hundreds of million years. Let's pretend there was a constellation whereas a civilization needed 1000 years to reach us with drones and you know for sure you will reach a living planet. Why would you not do this? Let's say the signals of your earth drones need a hundred years to reach your homeworld then you will have a sustained stream of information just 1100 years later.

1100 years are a lot for humans but may not for other civilisations or partly mechanised species. There are also several known theories that could shorten the distances between civilisations, e.g. life on brown dwarfs that fly nearby the solar systems.

"Foreign" drones could operate for thousands of years already on earth.
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I always think that. Surely it wouldn’t be biological life that would arrive here.

Also it makes me laugh when people see lights on UFOs.
I’m not sure aliens need lights so they can see where they are going in the dark ha.

“Lads, put the fog lights on so we can see what’s going on down there on this planet”..
 
Are you reading what I am saying ? Doesn’t seem that way. All I am saying is we have conclusively discovered we cannot travel faster than light. That’s it. It’s just a fact I know you find hard to grasp. It makes no case whatsoever to quote our knowledge 130 years ago. What does that prove? Nothing. 100 years ago we discovered relativity. That answered many questions, including time being bent by gravity, tune running slower than in fast moving vehicles and m=mc2. That’s it. It cannot be done and it won’t be able to be done ever. Celebrate our genius at finding that out, not saying it’s wrong because ultimately want it not to be true.
 
grunge said:
Well 130 years ago we had no idea quantum mechanics existed. Now it’s deepened ( and reinforced in some cases ) our current understanding of physics.

Are you suggesting we know everything there is to know and there nothing more to find? That there isn’t some other field of physics that may be found that changes our understanding? Or That may expose a way around limitations? ( warp theory etc )
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The only way to move any object with any mass faster than the speed of light would be if we discovered the theory of general relativity is wrong. Any alternative theory would have to do what that theory has done. So thats every prediction made using GR has been proved by all the subsequent discoveries throughout the universe, and as well as explaining everything we know a new theory would need to be tested the same way GR has been.
Could it happen, I ‘m not qualified to say but seems to me after 100 years of it predicting and fitting everything we’ve seen and discovered of the known universe and every science and technology advancement it’s quite likely e really does equal mc squared.
 
Magicpole said:
Are you reading what I am saying ? Doesn’t seem that way. All I am saying is we have conclusively discovered we cannot travel faster than light. That’s it. It’s just a fact I know you find hard to grasp. It makes no case whatsoever to quote our knowledge 130 years ago. What does that prove? Nothing. 100 years ago we discovered relativity. That answered many questions, including time being bent by gravity, tune running slower than in fast moving vehicles and m=mc2. That’s it. It cannot be done and it won’t be able to be done ever. Celebrate our genius at finding that out, not saying it’s wrong because ultimately want it not to be true.
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I mentioned 130 years ago because an entirely new field of physics was dicovered. There may well be loads more fields we are not currently aware of that fundamentally change our current understanding.

I guess we had better tell all the physicists in the world to stop looking into new things if we know everything already though.
 
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