UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
I think he’s talking bollocks. There is no way you make a claim like that without spilling the details.
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He's considered one of the most elite investigative reporters in the world. He actually states that he doesn't have an opinion on it but this is what he's being told from people in government and other high ranking positions. I guess he can't say where because people would swamp the place, it could give away his sources, or the fact the claim is currently being investigated by the director general.
 
DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
Depends what you mean by travel I suppose.

If you mean moving from one place to another then I would say there could well be discoveries that would enable that to occur through non conventional means and therefore not requiring the speed of light to be broken…

Unified field theory has attempted to explain everything but hasn’t yet managed to do so since there are still many aspects of our universe that defy explanation…….which must mean there are pieces to the puzzle we don’t have or don’t understand…..it would be difficult for anyone to say very much with a degree of certainty. Without adding a caveat regarding the state of current scientific knowledge
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Fair enough.

Except for UFT explaining everything :)
 
HelloCity said:
He's considered one of the most elite investigative reporters in the world. He actually states that he doesn't have an opinion on it but this is what he's being told from people in government and other high ranking positions. I guess he can't say where because people would swamp the place, it could give away his sources, or the fact the claim is currently being investigated by the director general.
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Something so big it can't be moved but a building has been built over it? What is the biggest building ever built? Somewhere outside the US that has managed to keep it a secret for decades? Yet the US Congress is worried how it is being funded? So worried about it they are discussing it with an investigative reporter? Colour me sceptical.
 
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HelloCity said:
He's considered one of the most elite investigative reporters in the world. He actually states that he doesn't have an opinion on it but this is what he's being told from people in government and other high ranking positions. I guess he can't say where because people would swamp the place, it could give away his sources, or the fact the claim is currently being investigated by the director general.
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One of my best mates at secondary school claimed he fucked a girl called Dawn who we all fancied. She was ginger but (in mitigation) had a huge set of lovely tits….in fifth form we all took a crack at her and failed but my mate said he had done the undoable…claimed to have done the deed and described a birthmark she had above her pubic hair to legitimise said claim…..now we couldn’t prove or disprove this without compromising him (which we wouldn’t) or her (because you didn’t) and he knew it, but he still got to bask in the glow of the conquest for a few days…..

Point is, seems to me this guy is doing the same kind of thing.

Obviously I stand to be correctly told what a twat I am for calling it …….once he reveals the location and the claim is substantiated
 
Coatigan said:
If we only believed what we saw evidence of, we would have never evolved as a species. Both in science and society. Many laws and facts we know today had no evidence, until they did. They still existed and were considered in some way or another, before they could be understood, never mind proven.

Just for clarity that does not mean I think the Americans are keeping alien visitors or technology secret from us all or anything like that btw
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That's not belief, though. Science doesn't have 100% facts. No scientist believes in 100% fact. Believing in things without evidence leads us to religion and silly claims.
 
Marklr said:
I don't know
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halfcenturyup said:
Do you believe with absolute certainty that nothing we will encounter anywhere in the universe in the future will be able to travel faster than the speed of light? Without even a scintilla of doubt?
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I have no idea. But, if we travelled faster than the speed of light, would we not be time travelling into the future? Does my head in. Lol.
 
DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
One of my best mates at secondary school claimed he fucked a girl called Dawn who we all fancied. She was ginger but (in mitigation) had a huge set of lovely tits….in fifth form we all took a crack at her and failed but my mate said he had done the undoable…claimed to have done the deed and described a birthmark she had above her pubic hair to legitimise said claim…..now we couldn’t prove or disprove this without compromising him (which we wouldn’t) or her (because you didn’t) and he knew it, but he still got to bask in the glow of the conquest for a few days…..

Point is, seems to me this guy is doing the same kind of thing.

Obviously I stand to be correctly told what a twat I am for calling it …….once he reveals the location and the claim is substantiated
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So let me get this right.
You think this guy may or may not have shagged a girl in your school too?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Fair enough, but that is rather the point. Nobody knows definitively what the laws of physics are, we only know how we place our current knowledge and understanding within them.
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That’s true,but the laws as we understand them are tested and used to explain our understanding as it stands of the universe ,how it works,how it came to be what it is. So any change to those laws can’t change unless it fits all aspects of what we see across the universe.Even though the laws we have don’t fully explain everything we see.
Non of this though changes the fact that all this nonsense about extra terrestrials have visited and left stuff behind, that’s been hidden and kept secret, is just that complete nonsense.
 
DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
One of my best mates at secondary school claimed he fucked a girl called Dawn who we all fancied. She was ginger but (in mitigation) had a huge set of lovely tits….in fifth form we all took a crack at her and failed but my mate said he had done the undoable…claimed to have done the deed and described a birthmark she had above her pubic hair to legitimise said claim…..now we couldn’t prove or disprove this without compromising him (which we wouldn’t) or her (because you didn’t) and he knew it, but he still got to bask in the glow of the conquest for a few days…..

Point is, seems to me this guy is doing the same kind of thing.

Obviously I stand to be correctly told what a twat I am for calling it …….once he reveals the location and the claim is substantiated
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Just above her pubic hair?
 
blueparrot said:
That’s true,but the laws as we understand them are tested and used to explain our understanding as it stands of the universe ,how it works,how it came to be what it is. So any change to those laws can’t change unless it fits all aspects of what we see across the universe.Even though the laws we have don’t fully explain everything we see.
Non of this though changes the fact that all this nonsense about extra terrestrials have visited and left stuff behind, that’s been hidden and kept secret, is just that complete nonsense.
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The only real nonsense, is calling anything unknown nonsense.

For the record, no I do not think (or believe) for one second there is stuff hidden or kept secret by any government or body. No I don't think or believe for a minute that aliens have visited the earth or left stuff behind in our (as a civilised species) lifetime. And no I also don't think or believe generally that aliens have visited the earth, ever. See a theme there?

But, I also don't believe it is out of the question and impossible, that in the 4.5 billion years, of which we have only been relevant the last 4000 odd, in a universe as big or old as it is, that something we can't imagine or understand, is categorically beyond chance. Or that anyone can claim that, even if we can agree on not believing it personally.

Or that if it had happened, that we might not at some point yet discover it. And anyone that argues that, is without doubt talking nonsense, unless they can say they have searched the entire planet millimetre by millimetre, in breadth and in depth.

It was only less than 200 years ago we discovered something as big and significant dinosaurs. It was only about 100 years we discovered oil. It was only last week scientists discovered giant spiders that once roamed the earth. And yes, I know you will get pedantic and claim they are all from earth, no shit. The point here is claiming we know everything that exists and therefore nothing else can possibly have existed, or occured. We don't, therefore other things are posdible. And the same goes for claiming what will or rather won't happen in the future, whose time beyond us we can't even quantify.

There is no evidence to support that of course. Other than the concept of sheer scale, of the universe, the earth, and the time in which we are too minute to even mention. And of course the countless precedent of new things continually being discovered literally throughout our entire existence.
 
Coatigan said:
The only real nonsense, is calling anything unknown nonsense.

For the record, no I do not think (or believe) for one second there is stuff hidden or kept secret by any government or body. No I don't think or believe for a minute that aliens have visited the earth or left stuff behind in our (as a civilised species) lifetime. And no I also don't think or believe generally that aliens have visited the earth, ever. See a theme there?

But, I also don't believe it is out of the question and impossible, that in the 4.5 billion years, of which we have only been relevant the last 4000 odd, in a universe as big or old as it is, that something we can't imagine or understand, is categorically beyond chance. Or that anyone can claim that, even if we can agree on not believing it personally.

Or that if it had happened, that we might not at some point yet discover it. And anyone that argues that, is without doubt talking nonsense, unless they can say they have searched the entire planet millimetre by millimetre, in breadth and in depth.

It was only less than 200 years ago we discovered something as big and significant dinosaurs. It was only about 100 years we discovered oil. It was only last week scientists discovered giant spiders that once roamed the earth. And yes, I know you will get pedantic and claim they are all from earth, no shit. The point here is claiming we know everything that exists and therefore nothing else can possibly have existed, or occured. We don't, therefore other things are posdible. And the same goes for claiming what will or rather won't happen in the future, whose time beyond us we can't even quantify.

There is no evidence to support that of course. Other than the concept of sheer scale, of the universe, the earth, and the time in which we are too minute to even mention. And of course the countless precedent of new things continually being discovered literally throughout our entire existence.
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The existence of hidden extra terrestrial technology or artifacts,or any evidence at all that aliens have visited earth, that only governments have found then kept secret from the rest of the world is utter nonsense.
Yo may think it’s possible for such things to be found at some time in the future,I don’t but even if we accept that, the thought they have been found then hidden is in my opinion idiotic.
 
halfcenturyup said:
My view on science was shaped by Bronowski in the 70s and The Ascent Of Man, especially episode 11 where he describes why there can never be any certainty in science and how destructive dogma and absolute certainty can be to science and to society. So never say never. To anything. Except United winning the PL again, of course.
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I use to love listening to Bronowski.

I though Jimmy Summerville was a great singer
 
blueparrot said:
The existence of hidden extra terrestrial technology or artifacts,or any evidence at all that aliens have visited earth, that only governments have found then kept secret from the rest of the world is utter nonsense.
Yo may think it’s possible for such things to be found at some time in the future,I don’t but even if we accept that, the thought they have been found then hidden is in my opinion idiotic.
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I mean, if you read that post and that is all you take from it to be obstinate about, then fine, good for you.

I agree btw, that specific isolated part, is wild conspiracy fantasy stuff. My point went well beyond that, both in distant past and future unknowns, rather than deliberate concealment and the plot of the Transformers films.
 
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