UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

[LWashington]

Personally i wouldn`t be surprised either way whether they existed or not . The thing that gets me is the fact their safety record leaves a lot to be desired for craft so advanced that they could travel vast distances across space .

It always seems to be the tiny ones that crash and always in the desert, never in someone's back garden. The huge ones, described as the size of a football field, such as the Ohio 1984 or Belgium 1989, they never seem to crash.

The thing that gets me is the fact their safety record leaves a lot to be desired for craft so advanced that they could travel vast distances across space.

Maybe after travelling so far across the galaxy, they fell asleep at the control console.

 

[Djibrilshairdo]

Should there be super intelligent life having earth day trips, they probably view us as we do to flies on steaming heap. They are not far off the mark tbh.

 

[Coatigan]

Yes but I never dismissed any possibilty of life across the universe, I dismissesd any possibilty that we have evidence of life somewhere in the universe, evidence we have been searching for. Is there likely life across the universe,yes, is there likely to be intelligent life again yes. Is it possible there isn't or never has been life more intelligent than us,that's also possible. The only thing we can say is the universe is so big, so many galaxies and stars, surely there must be, we can't comprehend there not being.
My argument is with those saying they believe there is loads of evidence we are constantly being visited and it's all being concealed by government and just needs uncovering, yet none of the hundreds of thousands of astronomers amateurs even UFO hunters have any of this evidence,only governments of all kinds.

My bad, misplaced context.

I don't particularly believe it, but I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of the planet having in its lifetime been visited, in the past or future, if we ever come round to discovering that. I don't believe there is some overarching drive to conceal known evidence of it from the public, but I am somewhat open if that does meaningfully prove to be the case. How seriously reported sightings and seemingly unexplained claimed events are being investigated or handled, probably leaves a lot more room for imagination and hence I guess all these discussions.

 

[abu13]

I dont see any way that there is any chance of alien life being in contact with us, while I believe there is life out there it needs to be at a certain level and time.

As an example just look at us here on earth, there has been life on earth for thousands of years and yet the only species who even have the concept of something other than this blue dot are us humans. We have only had the capability of space travel for less than 75 years. The reality in my humble opinion is that we are much more likely to put ourselves out of existance in the next 50 years than we are to develop the capability to span the distances required in space.

Likewise, lets assume that we find life of a plant just like earth, we are assuming there would be the equivilent of humans living there, it could be an earth like planet full of thousands of different species but nothing on the scale of a human being.

Lets then assume that this is what we find, what do we then do?
Human history tells us that wherever we go and are more powerful than the incumbants we destroy and pillage whatever we find. Why would any species advanced enough to seek us out feel any different?

The sad fact is we may well be the most advanced species in the known universe, which is amazing if you have walked around Piccadilly gardens on a Saturday afternoon.

 

[Nethermoor]

You can’t know for sure either way.All you can know is we have no evidence of any other intelligent life in our solar system, in our galaxy or in our universe. Nothing, people can theorise all they like but as it stands that’s all it is theories some of them bonkers,there is’t any evidence. Whether you decide to believe that or not is down to yourself. How could the US show no evidence? Why is is it always the US government?

For the first part you're 100% correct. But it's highly likely given the probabilities involved.

Regards it always being the US, it could be because they put a lot of money and effort into it. It could be that other countries treat anyone who comes forward with sightings as loons. Could be any reason. Could be bullshit too :D

So many variables.

 

[blueparrot]

I dont see any way that there is any chance of alien life being in contact with us, while I believe there is life out there it needs to be at a certain level and time.

As an example just look at us here on earth, there has been life on earth for thousands of years and yet the only species who even have the concept of something other than this blue dot are us humans. We have only had the capability of space travel for less than 75 years. The reality in my humble opinion is that we are much more likely to put ourselves out of existance in the next 50 years than we are to develop the capability to span the distances required in space.

Likewise, lets assume that we find life of a plant just like earth, we are assuming there would be the equivilent of humans living there, it could be an earth like planet full of thousands of different species but nothing on the scale of a human being.

Lets then assume that this is what we find, what do we then do?
Human history tells us that wherever we go and are more powerful than the incumbants we destroy and pillage whatever we find. Why would any species advanced enough to seek us out feel any different?

The sad fact is we may well be the most advanced species in the known universe, which is amazing if you have walked around Piccadilly gardens on a Saturday afternoon.

Agree with this, intelligent life forms that can travel between solar systems let alonse galaxies would have to match up in time,and as you say we've only been capable for 75 years out of 4.5 billion years.
Putting my sceptecism aside for a minute, I'd expect the first we would ever know of other intelligent life out there would be some sort of Voyager style probe wandering around our part of the Milky Way, obviously a far more advanced version.
I saw somewhre recently possibly Brian Cox Solar system, it will take 30,000 years for Voyager to get to the outer edge of our solar system,will we be here to know what it sends back then, who knows.

 

[mexico1970]

I saw somewhre recently possibly Brian Cox Solar system, it will take 30,000 years for Voyager to get to the outer edge of our solar system,will we be here to know what it sends back then, who knows.

If we are still here in that amount of time we will be able to intercept the Voyagers before they got a serious distance away from us, just scoop 'em up :)

 

[halfcenturyup]

I saw somewhre recently possibly Brian Cox Solar system, it will take 30,000 years for Voyager to get to the outer edge of our solar system,will we be here to know what it sends back then, who knows.

The two voyagers are already in interstellar space. Maybe that was how long it would take them to get to the nearest star? It's 4 light years away, so that may make sense.

 

[Coatigan]

I dont see any way that there is any chance of alien life being in contact with us, while I believe there is life out there it needs to be at a certain level and time.

As an example just look at us here on earth, there has been life on earth for thousands of years and yet the only species who even have the concept of something other than this blue dot are us humans. We have only had the capability of space travel for less than 75 years. The reality in my humble opinion is that we are much more likely to put ourselves out of existance in the next 50 years than we are to develop the capability to span the distances required in space.

Likewise, lets assume that we find life of a plant just like earth, we are assuming there would be the equivilent of humans living there, it could be an earth like planet full of thousands of different species but nothing on the scale of a human being.

Lets then assume that this is what we find, what do we then do?
Human history tells us that wherever we go and are more powerful than the incumbants we destroy and pillage whatever we find. Why would any species advanced enough to seek us out feel any different?

The sad fact is we may well be the most advanced species in the known universe, which is amazing if you have walked around Piccadilly gardens on a Saturday afternoon.

That's pretty much the other side of the debate as well though. Scale and proportion.

The thousands of years you mention are what, 0.00008 of the time of the universe so far. It is such a minute amount, in context and it is easy to believe that with so much time available there would have been other instances for life to develop. And maybe be destroyed, and develop again, and again.

That's just time, that's before you even consider the scale and vastness of the universe itself, and that it could be happening in so many places.

That of course in turn makes it harder to believe finding each other is likely to coincide. But that doesn't in any way make us 'the most advanced species in the universe' just means we don't/can't know ant better.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

Interesting book on UFO's and 'Non-human Intelligences'.








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UFOs and Aliens Are (Probably) Not What You Think: An Interview with Diana Walsh Pasulka

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